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Yourself to tell you?! It is a form of support among all.
Ere worst for me having to go to the chat every week and report to my thoughts ... And the losing my personality ... I was becoming what was expected of a member of Opus Dei, a coast to stop doing, 'thinking and feeling what I thought (and if they did, I felt so guilty ) 
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as not I register, I put my details here:
Name: Ana (the name is false!) 
mail: terra_terraes@yahoo.com
The worst is seeing as you are away from your family to form another with them. your family begin to be strangers, and your "new family" your friends. what happens is that there comes a moment that this new family suddenly falls apart because there shipment: sending someone to another city or country without giving more explanation: it is "to expand the spirit of the play where what is needed. and that person will never again see more explicitly (ie running) unless you find it by accident. if you find it, you can not tell what's wrong, to avoid cronyism that arouse so much fear in the opus. I find it terrible!
the weekly chat is also "heavy", especially when you you put a director fell ill. at first when you do pitas with someone like her, but which has blown you go faster with another to begin and to mold you and teach you to be "docile". if you say upsets you as always ...: obedience and not miss the spirit of the work!
...:" sackcloth about the no comment "
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as not I register, I put my details here:
Name: Ana
mail: terra_terraes@yahoo.com
The worst is seeing as you are away from your family to form another with them. your family begin to be strangers, and your "new family" your friends. what happens is that there comes a moment that this new family suddenly falls apart because there shipment: sending someone to another city or country without giving more explanation: it is "to expand the spirit of the play where what is needed. and that person will never again see more explicitly (ie running) unless you find it by accident. if you find it, you can not tell what's wrong, to avoid cronyism that arouse so much fear in the opus. I find it terrible!
the weekly chat is also "heavy", especially when you you put a director fell ill. at first when you do pitas with someone like her, but which has blown you go faster with another to begin and to mold you and teach you to be "docile". if you say upsets you as always ...: obedience and not miss the spirit of the work!
...:" sackcloth about the no comment "
and much more ...
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Name: Ana
mail: terra_terraes@yahoo.es
sorry, I put wrong email before. ends with. ES and not. COM
if someone writes me!
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In fact as hard as lived and was neither talk nor the separation from my family because, like it or not, were the ground rules of the sect and one of acepataba beforehand. This is not to take seriously those facts but from my point of view arises from deeper misrepresentations including:
What I was seeing life cost large dichotomy that existed between Christian theory - love your neighbor as yourself and change the world living the Love - and the everyday reality where criticism prevailed, looks judgmental, hurtful comments about people who think differently were treated by demons, and so on. They preached one thing - misrepresenting the deeper meaning of the Gospel - and to another that would be convenient to the principles of their organization.
Ultimately it hurt his hypocrisy, his duplicity and lies. Whitewashed tombs ... and advance what Jesus 2000 years ago  |
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In fact as hard as lived and was neither talk nor the separation from my family because, like it or not, were the ground rules of the sect and one of acepataba beforehand. This is not to take seriously those facts but from my point of view arises from deeper misrepresentations including:
What I was seeing life cost large dichotomy that existed between Christian theory - love your neighbor as yourself and change the world living the Love - and the everyday reality where criticism prevailed, looks judgmental, hurtful comments about people who think differently were treated by demons, and so on. They preached one thing - misrepresenting the deeper meaning of the Gospel - and to another that would be convenient to the principles of their organization.
Ultimately it hurt his hypocrisy, his duplicity and lies. Whitewashed tombs ... and advance what Jesus 2000 years ago |
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I could tell a lot about why I go "home". I pass a lamp off as they say.
When you do the letter to be admitted, then spend one and a half of testing and an interview was arranged with the director general of the region. A week preparing the interview, only to last two minutes, cover story MONEY, MORE MONEY. Thus began "The Church must be given the first fruits and tithes" We must increase the monthly contribution to the work, which of us holds. Do not know what to say, dislodging me, speechless. He had prepared a talk conscience rather spiritual, all issues of domestic life.
They told me that contributions to the "Work" on a child as having more of the family, I remember that gave them like two children, is they do not calculated the mortgage is like any newly married. Hence I have to say my wife did not understand me why I had to pay a quarter of their salary, with the need that was going on. The truth is that she was not mada to do with this. No go on another subject, Frenk I remember on a course of annual retreat I had a chat with the director of the course or I said "Manolo, all friendships are good for making apostolate but must always look for high-class friends are more educated, generous, in most good families. We have more experience.
That I penetrated into my heart, was asking me questions on the subject, "where I am, Lord. A saint that I have said this." They have no shame, so are they, with their power and absolutely uncontrollable.
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indeed seek to surround themselves with the "elite". disturbed, for example, being on the beach next to a humble plumber who can be called "scum" clearly lacking Christian charity (but Jesus was not son of a carpenter?). are filthy fascists. their children can not relate to people of social class is not high, and if they do ... prepare themselves to rejection by their parents and kind comments: I do not like the people you're going! (ie love your neighbor? yes, that Jesus preached?) what I'm surprised that you create even being made SANTOS!
such as? do not you think? This course not, and we think we're whistling!. is the art of every sect of people get smart and put them on your side, so are more able to work free for them.
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I think the pressure that is put to staff. It's the closest thing to a pressure cooker.
Of course I take a point. When Escriva died I remember it was said that Opus Dei was formed by some 70,000 members.
Now the information that seems to give is that is comprised of 80,000 members.
According to these data from 1976 to 2002 has been 25 years.
It appears that growth is stalling partners?
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Marukita:
are a prototype, a classic character of Opus Dei. always say something they say and those who groan to his talks, circles, and meditation you repeat like parrots, is a clear example of cancellation of personality that you have eaten jar. get all this manipulation manipulative groups. in your speech you give away two things: 1) that everyone says tonterias 2) that the doors are open for which you want to go
are two lies that leave the mouth of any member of opus dei sad.
you agree or false is also what I mean?
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Someone asked what was a hair shirt, as well as answer and my answer is gone, here I explain again: One hair shirt is an object of barbed wire is cut full slope to bug again, that we asked ourselves at numeraries strongly tied leg, for the greater glory of God. What if God is a sadist?
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Marukita: It's a lie about the sackcloth  ?
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('re so predictable ... it's true that all members of the opus are the same answers for things ... The thing is, I really think is the message or learned?)
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Marukita: It's a lie about the sackcloth ?
Besitos
('re so predictable ... it's true that all members of the opus are the same answers for things ... The thing is, I really think is the message or learned?)
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marukita:
You can answer me please? my question is, really think that all members (also the youngsters) know all they're going to have to do? because nobody told me that I would have to wear a hair shirt 14 years. I met him in the leg because I inadvertently. nobody to my notice that all the money was going to win integro at opusinas coffers. In my notice that no one would have to go to another city, even country for not being in contact with my family. to my notice that nobody could not attend the funeral of my grandmother or my cousin's wedding. to my notice that nobody would never pass over Christmas with my family. Nobody told me my NADA.
So that is holy ...! BELIEVE IT OR NOT OWN THE ESCRIVA. If they were not as I imagine would be ...
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Y? No "official voice" answer? It will have nothing to say? Or that the "director" suggested they get out of this forum, because you can not get anything good from here and can attack your vocation ...?
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The hardest ... when they clearly perceive that institutions "work" is above any personal circumstance, when you realize how much you're worth can be useful both for the work, you conclude that nobody loves you for yourself, just the opposite what you were taught ... are not that bad, just do not know how to love |
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