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The issue seems to be interesting so we save the previous fire and continue if they continue it interesting.
With regard to the interests of the opus, my opinion is to be divided into two parts:
1. Corporate interest of power and handling of dome. All this is gestated between Bruno Buozzi (opus headquarters in Rome) and the Vatican. A clear example of this, they were the succulent opus economical support to the Polish group Solidarity trade union. Opus work done by the Holy Father's request. The terrible power struggles by dicasteries studies and advisory groups Vatican.
2. The message to the people (the other opusinos) as the sanctification of work and the whole bit that the "Marques de Peralta" - title of nobility purchased by Escriba de Balaguer in 1969 - claims to have invented and that was something like a truism already lived in practice lay Christians around the world for decades.
In short: A double bind over which we have used cults.
It's very interesting to see the parallels and curious similarity between the opus and the Moonies.
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09 November de 2002 at 05:34:24
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FORUM Dear friends ask them their opinion thereon, to UDs seems Lucy's comment this is crazy, this lady above creates a new debate, and is really a PAPELON what you write, I ask you please not put II, because you do not even know that you, you you read something in the first part of the Forum that we talked, and was serious.
I give the end point should not answer anything to this lady Lucy, Lucy again I ask you to read this forum, since you've read good if I ask you not disrespect us so estupides ... Pc aunt may believe that this debate take the Maquesado de Peralta ..
Lucy tu te fuiste or as they say in Argentina to you cracked  to my rejaron you and why you're so poisoned and weakened.
Forgive me, but I can not but respond well, someone who moderates, pleassssse casserole or Evaristo.. |
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| Alvaro |
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09 November de 2002 at 06:10:30
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Marc Friend,
"You say:" Do not answer anything to this lady "
Who are you to eregirte director of the forum?. This is not an official forum opus (thank goodness) and everyone here believes what he thinks. The theme of the Marquess de Peralta is divine. Do you mind?. Is that a lie?. Impressed to see a 'holy' as vain and self-conscious which is renamed to a more pompous and buy a Marquis?.
- You say, "do not disrespect us so stupid. Vds may believe that this' tia'..."
I think this is you lose respect. What next call 'tia' and saying stupid things?. "You do not think others may seem too stupid your opinions, and we are silent out of respect?. Do not know behave in a forum FREEDOM?.
and the last thing the distress call to casseroles and Evaristo ... Why not call the first of Zumosol?.
P.D.: Lucy, welcome to the forum. Please, what do you say we close this issue and continue with that already existed before?.
Extensive information a bit that you give the Union Solidarity and the Vatican.
A greeting to all
Alvaro
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Alvaro said:
P.D.: Lucy, welcome to the forum. Please, what do you say we close this issue and continue with that already existed before?.
Extensive information a bit that you give the Union Solidarity and the Vatican.
And he said Alvaro (same msg, referring to "Dartagnan"):
Who are you to eregirte director of the forum?. This is not an official forum opus (thank goodness) and everyone here believes what he thinks
Contradictions aside, I'll stick with the topic of interest in this forum (in honor of the new, follow his lead and leave the other for insults)
The power of a dicastery ... that really is power ... peazo power ... we must "eat the bogeyman everyone to power in a dicastery obrener ... or two, or three, or all. In the Departments, as everyone knows, cook the wireless world power. Do you really think that house are so stupid?
If you do not mind, does anyone could better define this "corporate interest in the workings of power and leadership?
To conclude: I tired of people that cannot take it. For three reasons: first because there is nothing wrong with someone to buy the title that he pleases. Second, because the Opus think it is an attack against them. It is true that every time out is always as a weapon. And thirdly because I think it is irrelevant to this analysis of power.
Besotes, Lucy, and do not rebound as
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09 November de 2002 at 12:25:37
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Evaristo Friend Lumbreras, obstinate. I do not think there is contradiction between an imperative addressed to the group throughout the forum ( "do not answer anything to this lady") and a plea to one of the participants (please, do you think if you close this issue and continue with the existing one).
But if I think there is contradiction in a man who wants to be holy, and buying a peerage. Is not it important that gentleman in Opus Dei?. It is important to know your personality?.
You who are so smart and know so much, because I can not explain, please, (and if it gives you the Saint wins), what were the motives that prompted Write to buy a peerage. "Reasons for holiness?.
The fight for the title so that it would be important to your life. What happens? What now ashamed of that?.
A greeting
Alvaro.
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| lucy |
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09 November de 2002 at 13:44:48
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Uauuuuuu !!! this really gets fun! As the degree of fanaticism of marc, Evaristo & CIA that the very Alvaro del Portillo had to descend from the limb to defend a woman. How awful!
So we have a "super" in this forum. And so you think you know the boards and managements decisions marc vocation?
Let me tell you dear soldier third row (in the opus teach us - and continue with the children of my friends that I have had to assist in rescue Sunday) that the supernumerary are those who are not given the nummerario bocho for first or added later ...)
And here's another great lesson - of resentment - of the directors of opus:
"Mmmmm Supernumerary last priority, except to bring 12 children into the world and his twelve goal creatures in the sect." Then make you take the first places in the ceremonies, a replica of Escriva and Pharisees.
BUT: Do not even think of escaping any of your children's opus .. for then fall slowly in disgrace. And you'll be the king of mambo tiresome to be a drag ...
Well, I left the subject: The hardness and the low level that I have attacked in this forum, marc, Evaristo & cia is perfect example that I have hit the jackpot on drugs telling my experiences in the female section (also closely at Muejres know marc??).
Well, as I see that Don Alvaro supporting me from the limbus, segurire telling my experiences and the hundreds of experiences that many women who were numerary and supernumerary opus in Argentina, Uruguay, Peru, Spain and USA we have.
Besitos a nervous and Asereje da de je ..... |
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| cazuelo |
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| Alvaro: I promise I will attempt to answer Lucy trying to stick to their arguments and not engage in polemics but, boy, I do not know really where to catch them. The last thing I needed to hear is that you Alvaro del Portillo down from heaven. Sorry, I will not say a word against anyone, but I do not play well. I think we all have more to lose height dialectic in such ravings (and sorry if I offend someone). So far I have been very comfortable discussing, arguing, disputing and trying to understand. From now on, if things continue in this vein, I will continue to redefine the forum. Sorry. |
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I do not care at all about the Marquis or noi know how much ... because I read the discussion (I'm tired, just back after many days and I wanted to catch up on the forum) ... But I extrañoo that anyone would suggest that there LUCY to answer ... From all that is plotting to leave someone out?
LUCY !!!!!! AGUANTE And I'm Argentina ... I see that we met somewhere acharlar we opoirtunidad ... and more .... A kiss to all!
Lola
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| Alvaro |
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09 November de 2002 at 21:47:05
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Friend casserole, I think the game An internet forum is one of freedom and we must learn to play. Everyone is free to enter or leave him, but always respects the freedom and others.
As usual, "some" have tried to lynch Lucy (as happened before with Poppy-37) who simply gave his opinion. At the end is, that the executioners become victims (Still, that would say the illustrious Evaristo is a metaphor), that the complainants are now those who called her stupid, poisoned, or resentful cops. As the saying goes "When the birds shot at shotguns."
A greeting
Alvaro
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10 November de 2002 at 07:08:52
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No comment, dear Alvaro am not a victim, not if you're the one who coached this forum until yesterday was really first class and although they have had many exchanges of views with those presented here, I do not return to this forum I apologize if at times it seemed angry, but I want you to know that I love very much. But one of the great things is also free to say but this is Mrs or Miss Lucy A MAMARACHO, And as I told SURELY WAS NOT, THE WERE AND I'm leaving because I do not feel comfortable reading the total disrespect Alvaro del Portillo a saint.
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10 November de 2002 at 18:09:41
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Rinse those prepared to insult and get out to a new discussion. Here we were with the true interests of Opus Part II (Part I loaded it insulting Nosequien Nosequien)
Look, if a man, however holy it is, wants to be if you also want to be noble, because it is. I do not know is what you have now against the nobility, now or in the twentieth century. You really see incompatibility holiness / nobility? Is there a single argument to show the inconsistency? Really, if you expose it, I believe.
Write and motivations, as you say, I feel exactly the same. He has said everything. Each, in his free interpretation of historical events is free to follow the line of view you want, after exhaustive documentation, of course. That did it for vanity, or assign the rights to his brother, then goes.
That is, I think that is not an important issue to attack the Opus, and do not understand the interest of the house to defend himself at that point.
If you want to call Jose, Pepe, Jose Maria, Josemaría, Mariano (and signed the Father, no?) Peralta, Alvaro, pans, Lucy, Tanit, Iggy, Evaristo or Bernarda ... it is called as it leaves the bow.
The rest is eaten jar (was going to say the phrase, but I put it away)
Saludillos
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| lucy |
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10 November de 2002 at 19:53:15
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Thanks to Alvaro, Lola and who have their heads open for discussion. Since joining this forum will attempt to tell and share my experiences and anecdotes of "family" (as he likes to say in the opus). And did such as will continue to do (I'm like the fire, remember? When more kick, more burning ...)
But I never imagined that some participants of this forum were so fans of the opus. Oh! San write, I pray for these people so closed-minded ... pray a novena to saint write to enlighten wayward brothers.
What the noble title, I personally do not care, that the scribe has been sent to buy a title of nobility or real estate to me. I'm not going to stop doing is to repeat the profound words of Jesus (this was the model of Type?)
"Does it profit a man to gain the whole world - Marquis included - if he loses his soul?" |
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Look, Lucy, daughter, if you do not care much about the Peralta that, I do not understand why you got yourself the subject in this forum on the interests of the Opus. But anyway, I am delighted that the "closed-minded" we can approach the supreme truth you possess. But I ask you to continuing the theme, if you want, the power of the Vatican.
The fires, all, end up shutting down.
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10 November de 2002 at 21:35:48
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Evaristo. In reading your response is that you're so smart. Or because my comments do not understand or know very little evidence that defend Opus ....
Step by Evaristo tell: There was once a priest of 26 who thought he had been enlightened by "God" and wanted to pursue a spiritual renewal of our Church. This hicapie made by the person and message of Jesus ( "Christ Is Passing By", "Road", "Groove", "Forge", etc, something that sound?)
That Jesus preached and lived human poverty and detachment. You imagine Jesus, sending John or Peter to buy a title in Belen? or a place in the synagogue? or a foundation stone in the Temple?
Regarding Misumo truth, Deo Gratia, I have no no I want it. That yes, I have the total truth of my life, past, present and future. And are not you, nor the opus who tell me how I should live and who should I believe.
As for your reflection on the Bonfire: The founder of Opus often said that the play was like a bonfire, the more he kicked, the more encedia. Or you have no idea what you defend or just predict the death of the opus. Celebrate! Health!! |
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In reading your response is that you're so smart. Or because my comments do not understand or know very little evidence that defend Opus ....
Step by Evaristo tell: There was once a priest of 26 who thought he had been enlightened by "God" and wanted to pursue a spiritual renewal of our Church. This hicapie made by the person and message of Jesus ( "Christ Is Passing By", "Road", "Groove", "Forge", etc, something that sound?)
That Jesus preached and lived human poverty and detachment. You imagine Jesus, sending John or Peter to buy a title in Belen? or a place in the synagogue? or a foundation stone in the Temple?
Regarding Misumo truth, Deo Gratia, I have no no I want it. That yes, I have the total truth of my life, past, present and future. And are not you, nor the opus who tell me how I should live and who should I believe.
As for your reflection on the Bonfire: The founder of Opus often said that the play was like a bonfire, the more he kicked, the more encedia. Or you have no idea what you defend or just predict the death of the opus. Celebrate! Health
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Forgiveness, at the beginning of my speech that I wanted to cir opus only interest is power.
Gracias |
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