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The issue seems to be interesting so we save the previous fire and continue if they continue it interesting.
With regard to the interests of the opus, my opinion is to be divided into two parts:
1. Corporate interest of power and handling of dome. All this is gestated between Bruno Buozzi (opus headquarters in Rome) and the Vatican. A clear example of this, they were the succulent opus economical support to the Polish group Solidarity trade union. Opus work done by the Holy Father's request. The terrible power struggles by dicasteries studies and advisory groups Vatican.
2. The message to the people (the other opusinos) as the sanctification of work and the whole bit that the "Marques de Peralta" - title of nobility purchased by Escriba de Balaguer in 1969 - claims to have invented and that was something like a truism already lived in practice lay Christians around the world for decades.
In short: A double bind over which we have used cults.
It's very interesting to see the parallels and curious similarity between the opus and the Moonies.
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Hello everyone,
---- Marc
Published on 09 November 2002 at 05:34:24
Forgive me, but I can not but respond well, someone who moderates, pleassssse casserole or Evaristo ..
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Or any other, I mean.
I think you've been adequately answered by several people.
Everyone can say what they want, but daub call someone because you do not like what he argues NEWS is an attitude, Marc, childish and tacky.
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Hello everyone!
Hi Marc! hey marc, with all respect, too bad that your comments opposing Lucy, this is supposed to be a free forum, are lies, or not, everyone has their own opinion and it is best not discuss censure, much less encourage not to respond.
Lei you're debuting as temporary, good for you, but now that your classes start with paragraph, put a lot of head at having to do with charity, and put it into practice "do life" and very coherence of life, demonstrates facts what you preach for the benefit of the work, while providing a little.
Really is not bad wave ...
Bye
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First, we must distinguish between the short-term (tactical) and long-term interests (strategy).
In my opinion, the long-term interest of Opus Dei, is coincident with that of any totalitarian group or destructive cult: The continued strengthening of the group itself, that every day more strong and powerful, using two tools: active campaigning and raising money .
In the short term (tactical) interests are changing, and vary in each historical moment or in every place. In a time can open schools, or take the Scientific Research Council or achieve influence in the Vatican itself, or anything else that helps is the most powerful sect.
The sect will always say that their objectives are others (love, solidarity, work in sanctification, or the expansion of Catholicism), but in practice, the activity is summarized in sect said Dawa and get money.
A greeting from Málaga (Spain)
Alvaro
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16 November de 2002 at 21:57:03
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to begin to welcome Lucy. you're great! what you say, to me, is absolutely true! not pay any clan "Marc-Evaristo some rude guest.
Marc, tell him that continues to hurt me, as from the first day I go into the forums. But I want to stress one aspect, for those unfamiliar with "opus-people" realize their training in this sect: the way Marc has tried to "mamarracha" a forum participant who exercised their constitutional right of free expression, is the way Opus Dei used to despise those who differ from them. This is exactly how we are treated a lot of people by our own family members when "open eyes" and get the hell out of the sect.
that great invention the opus dei!
who has said Alvaro del Portillo was a saint, I say!: Another saint!? angels in the opus! Needless to say, the only such Javier Echevarria also is holy! WHAT YOU SAID !!!!!!!! (I hope that God forgive him!) that children with deformities or decreases are born so that their parents were promiscuous !!!!!!! The official excuse that put: do not express well, speaking in Italian. TRUTH: the man speaks Italian fluently because half his life in Italy is experiencing. The man said what everyone heard. He must think so?
so is the dome of Opus Dei. who is surprised that the clan-Evaristo Marc ... think as you think?
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| Hello, ana. I Berto, the friend of children. Fui del Opus. Not today. I just wanted to tell you that I think are unfair to Tell Marc I pity you or the person trying to load the errors of the institution is not insulting, but to humiliate. We are also here to compare opinions. Of all. No exclusions. Glad to see you, ana. I think more or less share the same arguments. Bye. |
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hello friend of children. 
you are right in that you can not pin the blame of an institution in people. I also think the people inside are not bad people, they are bad ideas. but I always ask the same question: to what extent the individual member of Opus Dei is responsible for who he is? according to him have changed the way of seeing things, have "brainwashed" as we say that we consider it a sect Opus Dei.
they can not be responsible to think how they think, but to insult another I think if you are (as they remain although some unfortunately people seem automatic), so I say that I feel sorry, because saints are made to believe anything but that getting . and the worst is that they think they do well. There's the quiz of the question.
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ana:
"to begin to welcome Lucy.'re great! what you say, to me, is absolutely true! not pay any of the clan" Marc-Evaristo some rude guest. "
Comment:?? if some people can not ignore? what is the criteria for classification?
're educated or uneducated?
for you, I'm bieneducado or rude? Why?
you do not have "brainwashed"? to you, I advise you, perhaps you like, wash your brain, at least 2 times per week. There are good shampoos on the market ...
(instructions for use: apply to wet hair, massage and rinse. Precautions: Do not ingest. keep out of reach of children. rinse in contact with the eyes). |
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pepe:
do not quite understand your Castilian, you will be abroad ... expression or you'll have problems ... nevertheless, the main message I get it. (as you see, I'm being rude to you, but I'm not going to be more ...)
this, in response to whether I'm polite or rude: I can be both.
you, so the shampoo has been rude. I guess not in your normal life will be.
have mixed messages and forums. I suppose you have been mistaken ... welcome Lucy gave it and told him that if the clan did not "..." because they mess with it, and it's good support to whom, in your opinion, is offended unjustly (and that's my opinion and I support Lucy). the guest was rude by asking what the cows and sisters.
There is no classification on my part to case or not. Also responding to your question. but which begins to insult (daub or cow or something ...) you know what to do ...
ah! as to what the shampoo, do not forget, I no longer receive orders-tips-advice without my express request. YA NO SOY DEL OPUS! thankfully! LIBREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE am!
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ana:
"do not quite understand your Castilian, you will be abroad ... or you will have problems of expression ... nevertheless, the main message I get it. (as you see, I'm being rude to you, but I will not be more .. .) "
Note: if, by luck, I'm Spanish: io sono italiano, although mia nonna (grandmother) was Spanish (Zaragoza) and she called me 'Pepe'.
"you, so the shampoo has been rude. I guess not in your normal life will be."
Comment: a joke no more ... do not bother ... forgive you know? perdoname!
"you've mixed messages and forums. I suppose you have been mistaken ... welcome Lucy gave it and told him that if the clan did not "..." because they mess with her, and always good to support those In your opinion, is offended unjustly (and that's my opinion and I support Lucy).'s guest was rude by asking what the cows and sisters. "
Comment: So, you should direct your scorn ter only to the "rude", no?
You put in the same category other that it seemed rude to me ... but by the fact that they have a better idea of Opus Dei favorável ...
"There on my part classification of ignoring or not. also responding to your question. but which one begins to insult (daub or cow or something ...) you know what to do ..."
Comment: In this case, I think it would be fairer to only insult insult, without misturar other forum participants, imputing a label ...
"ah! as to what the shampoo, do not forget, I no longer receive orders-tips-advice without my express request. YA NO SOY DEL OPUS! luckily! am
LIBREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! "
Comment: it is worth: whatever you want with your freedom, your hair, etc. with your brain.
I too am free and I do not like me out of freedom ...
but I am not accustomed to much attention when it comes to a mere joke ...
and freedom is no less when you accept advice or suggestions ...
also be of Opus Dei does not mean you're not free, otherwise well... |
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| Pepe, my friend. I'm Manuel (I have not yet registered). If every action of yours to begin with a quotation from other intervener and you enzarzáis on trifles, in the end it is best that either knowingly believe a forum to resolve your differences or the rest of us go. Look, Pepe, if you feel free in Opus Dei, my most sincere congratulations. You have all my respect and even admiration. In fact, during some years of my life I tried to be happy in this world that the end was revealed to me as a tangle of contradictions and a continued attack (and consented to by the sufferer) against the freedom and privacy. What more could I have felt that free and happy in there! For that I entered. I thought to join in a family: I met the meanest and normative organization I've ever met in my life, where feelings (and remember that feelings are an inseparable part of human nature) do not count: only the apostolic effectiveness marked from above. I tell you, if you are happy, my admiration, and hope that you are at ease in this forum. And although I fear we disagree much, I at least count on you for the discussions. Roughly speaking, I see this forum as the container that collects the many gray (in my opinion) Opus Dei is not able to see. For them it is all either white or black. Here you'll see people very disappointed, and another that tries to be rational, the other rougher, another supporter of the work. And that's the beauty: all free and, if possible, without insults do not lead anywhere. Greetings. Manuel |
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Manuel, a friend. thanks for your welcome ...
at least, it seems, you admit (or over) who has one that is delivered, with liberty, to Opus Dei. congratulations to you.
Mira, Manuel, if you felt you did not freely within Opus Dei, well, you lived the freedom to get away ...
See also, Manuel, I live freedom within the Opus Dei and not only that I consent to take it away ... is an important caveat, I believe.
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dear Italian friend:
I did not express any contempt for anybody, just said "do not pay any clan-marc-evaristo some rude guest. that does not mean contempt, it means my lucy support as those picked on her. in the context of this forum to talk about this subject, it became very clear what I meant. in Castilian "do not do case" has a figurative sense, it is interpreted literally, it means (at least so I interpret it) "do not take seriously" or something ... and, as Lucy says I understand, I think, I say, because the attempt to support.
what happens you've raised the subject of a forum, you've taken to another forum and THIS is a mess!
Enough! with this roll, if you think it sentence by sentence contradict what I say, do not get into the game. BORING FOR ALL.
pax! and please, do not make a beep or minor! in that you are criminals! for me is a crime against the integrity of the person. And I say high!
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Not listen to Anna accuses of crimes which should not.
If what you say is a crime, you do a great service to mankind if you report it in the appropriate place, ie in court.
If you do, you will consistent. If not, shut up and let us make no case. The accusation is very serious to take a joke.
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Hola a todos!
Apoyo completamente a Invitado-Manuel, la verdad es que no podemos perdernos en este forma en cosas inútiles como empezar a discutir cada frase de cada uno, en verda sería mejor debatir los temas en los encabezados, emitir opiniones y respetar las que emiten los demás |
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