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The issue seems to be interesting so we save the previous fire and continue if they continue it interesting.
With regard to the interests of the opus, my opinion is to be divided into two parts:
1. Corporate interest of power and handling of dome. All this is gestated between Bruno Buozzi (opus headquarters in Rome) and the Vatican. A clear example of this, they were the succulent opus economical support to the Polish group Solidarity trade union. Opus work done by the Holy Father's request. The terrible power struggles by dicasteries studies and advisory groups Vatican.
2. The message to the people (the other opusinos) as the sanctification of work and the whole bit that the "Marques de Peralta" - title of nobility purchased by Escriba de Balaguer in 1969 - claims to have invented and that was something like a truism already lived in practice lay Christians around the world for decades.
In short: A double bind over which we have used cults.
It's very interesting to see the parallels and curious similarity between the opus and the Moonies.
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Marc:
I see that you have not become "your sanjosemaría" failed to act interdeder your conversion? Why are you so close frames?
You know who you implying?, You really have sectarian mentality and is more belong to a sect!. The interests in the dome of the Vatican are real, the threads are woven from there!, The rest of us poor fools who make us believe that well and only then sanctify us, y. .... at home ...? The testimony is not important? At least for me it is!. Not because they disbelieve in God but do not buy any toad that I want to eat the OD, I am going to tell me that they think I'm caiditas the bed and I realize that I watch and this is permanent You know why?, because they think I'm going to bite! ha ha ha, just watch out because here are opusdeisecta and seek power.
Marc: I repeat you Repent and believe in the Gospel.
Give not that bad opusino welcome dear neighbor.
Lucy, welcome to this forum is free opinion, I see you've disrespected by telling the truth, let Marc keep asking for help for someone to lend a hand, because one can not.
Greetings
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Selene carino qe no such concern for my conversion, but if I'm worried about you, you show by your writing as you're hotshot qe. I ask porqe participate in activities of Opus Dei? and something that surprised me is that decis qe ahi nomas me up, I contribute just enough ....
besides a acitud TIBIA, not for me to judge shows like something you are interested in Opus. I hope you are not of those who criticize the Opus but like the OPUS as social etiquette. You know what I read of your writing sounds like the kind of person
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I am particularly interested in this topic of interest on the Opus, but there are two lists. I hope this does not divert attention or the story line. It seems common listeros the opinion of some that the only interest of Opus is power. And to argue that view is clarified by "the power in all its facets". I imagine that will be economic, social, media, business, politics ... and, of course. But ... In the twentieth century and the century, that power is achieved on the basis of praying all day? Do you get that with two hours of hair-shirt? Do you get that now studying philosophy and theology?
If there is still someone to see that such arrangements will get economic control of the world, to ask who is the handsome he is, by labor. Open a newspaper, listen to the radio, see a newscast ... These powerful who does all these things for that purpose?
I think that Bill Gates used another "way"
With regard to the Church, as I told you I do not mind that Opus (institution of the church) want to influence and even control it. But when it happens that Atleti have won European Cups and fourteen.
Now, if Opus seeks the power of the Church, let them. Those who live in Spain you see every day the continuing vilification and harassment that is submitted, rightly and wrongly, by the media.
Another issue: I do not know what has happened lately there seems bent on making listeros fronts. The one and the other, the opus and the normal, closed and open. And it's used as an argument to discredit! Everyone here gives his views, and holy Easter, but is that the opinion of each. And the most valuable, the experience of each.
I say this for the victimization of those who feel insulted by any bullshit that goes. If we go through life and alluded to the defensive ... mal rollo. I've had to swallow the ex-follower, what of loudmouth ... worth it ... accept as a pet octopus. It called for respect for the members of the forum, because I suppose, but less squeamish and more discussion.
I just read a fragment of the Gospel in which Jesus refused to be anointed with expensive perfume ... and received criticism from the Pharisees and publicans. Man, I know not buy a Marquis, but in those days that did not exist.
What of the stake it continues for another day, this message is already very long ...
Greetings
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Evaristo Were you on vacation when he handed out the brains? Do you suck your finger or you do see?
I do not understand how you want us to commune with millstones telling us that the children of your "father" engaged all day to pray and mortify putting on sackcloth and all such trifles, which do exist, but only for those on foot, " do I have to say there lighter or until you reach the little bit of brain that touched you in a raffle?
As your elder brothers know you were not allowed to read the book "Being a woman in Opus Dei" by Elizabeth de Armas, I will tell you that in that book is about, among many other things, Matesa Rumasa and Sound familiar? , if not find out.
As I tell you something because I doubt that you have the freedom to do this:
You see, Rumasa your sect handed four billion pesetas and Matesa, Matesa was another story, it was ... I do not know how to describe, in short I will say that while Mariano Navarro Rubio (member of Opus Dei) as governor of Bank of Spain, there was a fraud who disappeared ten billion pesetas. Do you think that is praying?
As for the "Open a newspaper, listen to the radio" how many stations or newspapers are out of power?
Evaristo friend Think, think before you expose your body to gored bullfighter like this.
Sorry if that hurt you, just pretend to open your eyes.
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No, daughter, does not hurt anything at all you can say. My body is accustomed to heifers bullfighter rougher, rougher than enough doubt on my mind. I'm surprised your petulance: goring as what? Innocent ...
Then Abram eyes.
Come to the matter, before I die of laughter. "The foot". Let's see, seventy thousand members of Opus ... How many are "walk"? You stop to intuit that those who are not "walk" do not wear sackcloth, or go to Mass every day, nor do their hour of prayer, and pray the rosary, or make annual courses or courses in retreat ... or anything. No provision. These trifles are only for "those on foot. Those who are not "walk" because they do nothing about it. Let me think: those who are not "walk" are the directors, or Counselors or the Council, or the Father ... and those devoted to fuck like crazy with the advice, and polished in coca fourteen billion pesetas. For the want for something ... I say.
If not ... Why do you want a few, those who are not "walk", so much money? Is it to buy influence? Well they did sell their clubs because you get the Opus in the press are milk (check newspaper archives in the world, country, etc ... in early October)
Or will it be to buy a dicastery of the Holy See? Something bit expensive for what it serves.
Or a ministry, like Trillo, just bless the cohabitation of homosexuals in the Civil Guard barracks?
But I understand your curiosity: Where are so many millions? Then in the pocket of a bitch, as often happens in these cases. And that bitch is not with the disciplines stirs once a week, or take a shower with cold water, or live the night time. I think.
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Selene, Thanks for the welcome!
Poppy, you made me die laughing about at holiday repartija Evaristo during brain! Simply brilliant as his partner of Forum.
Poppy, has touched a muyyy aPoint are interesting and embezzlement that have perpetrated the opusdeistas in various banks, companies and financial house. I think this deserves a special discussion topic. In Argentina we have the legendary Trozzo cases, Trusso and recently (three months) Peirano. I think that having specific cases uninformed people may have an idea of the "sanctity" everyday opus dei develop through their members ....
Evaristo Moreover, the poppy has been tempered of a great and simple level, that level that you and your cronies are not the people who believe differently. Your anger and helplessness is because we have our experiences or because we are women thinking?
Evaristo: With respect to "motherfucker" your reference and you say you are left with the silver of the opus, just gave me great news: In Bruno Buozzi not use Cicilia and disciplines  ?? Oops, my name is close to silence as the night time...  |
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| Just one point: the villain only the spread ... those with horns. |
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Why do not we esfuerzito and try to give our views without personal insults instead?.
I think about calling a person or horned brainless. We must refute the opinions with arguments with insults.
A greeting to all.
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Yes, yes son, for something they wanted them to have more power, more influence, more media manipulation, media buying more y. .., in short, everything you need for the money.
Luck is not yet all the press on their hands.
And if you give them sticks, as you say, is that the merit, however, what matters most when a whip themselves with the disciplines are harassed?
Ah, do not touch me homosexuals because, although the statutes of Opus is quite clear that none of them may belong to the Work, to me are people like you and me, and I do not discriminate as well that he did your "Father" and still do all their ..., (going to say litter, but I refrain for Álvaro not mortify you are right about what the insults) replaced litter by: children, many of them, Indeed, some true saints.
Greetings Lucy, glad I amused me, hopefully this forum only serve to mitigate sufferings and not to aumentárnoslas more.
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Both are funny Azúcar Moreno of this forum, lucy and lucy 37 or 37 and that both da. They tell jokes, they insult the duo, they make offensive jokes, they laugh it. Of course, they speak from freedom against sectarian and eaten coconut and this opus entitled to what they want. They make the hue and cry when someone tells an insult. And with them, half turns on the forum that this thing did, who they accuse of "attempted lynching."
Instead they have the permission to call a temporary "third-row soldier" (lucy, 09 November 2002 at 13:44:4  or that "the supernumeraries are those who are not given the bocho for cash" (lucy in the same message).
What does not rule out a day later the same lucy, (10 November at 19:53:15) say "never imagine that some participants of this forum were so fans of the opus. Oh! San write, I pray for these people so closed-minded ... pray a novena to saint write to enlighten wayward brothers. What is not so bad, because we know that lucy pray for others.
The other component of the duo, 37 (also called Poppy), not to be outdone, and in healthy competition with his close friend lucy and does not hesitate to release on 11 November at 21:41:47: "Evaristo were you on vacation when handed out brains? Do you suck your finger or you do see? ".
A spark of genius in such thickness can not but impress the partner (Forum), which recognizes "Poppy, you made me die laughing about at holiday repartija Evaristo during brain! Simply brilliant as his companion Forum. (lucy, November 11th at 23:54.43)
Note: These phrases are taken only two pages on the forum. Finally, a discussion about the purposes of Opus Dei very uplifting and very enlightening.
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Dear Guest: Even if you hide behind your mask of "Guest" and not even have left a name (that you have the mania of the opus of walking around hiding worth ...), this Azucar Moreno answer you:
Since you like to see the history of the Forum, you've proven that I enter for the first time to tell my story and without intending to attack anyone. But it turns out that opufanaticos attacked me and I answer them down at the same level. Yes, it was wrong, I will be very strong across disciplines and tail until my blood and perhaps remedy the penalty for my verbosity.
But echoing the wise reflection of Alvaro, "Argentines at things" (this Gaseete Ortega said, not the saint) would be serious and deep themes of this Forum.
Just do not ask me discretion. Remember what he said the founder of Women at reference opus "They do not need to be wise, just be discreet ..." Uauuuu, imagine if the saint had been a contemporary of St. Teresa of Avila and St. Catherine of Siena  the tole-tole imagine that if they had been armed women would have been wise to heed this solemn sentence type?
...La vida te da sorpresas, sorpresas te da la vida..hay dios.... Ups! esto no es de las Azucar Moreno , no??
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To my knowledge, unknown guest coat, brown sugar are not dedicated to telling jokes. I, however, remember as one on the sect, I'll put in the forum to relax a little tirades faults of all grace who write some.
I remind you that only happy people have a sense of humor.
I must also tell you not believe that I have not noticed your red herring in this forum: echáis firewood abundant (often she) to cover the trunks thicker than some we have to burn: the four billion pesetas. of Rumasa and ten billion pesetas. of mates.
Regards to all, especially for the companion of my art group.
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Have you noticed that only when a guest defends the work he is accused of hiding? If another guest to tell the fatter, because nothing, nothing happens. That's life.
37 dixit:
"I must also tell you not believe that I have not noticed your red herring in this forum: echáis firewood abundant (often she) to cover the trunks thicker than some we have to burn: the four billion pesetas. of Rumasa and ten billion pesetas. Matese "
For distraction you mean the use of the insult (the brain, holidays ...)
Or you mean you do not want to clarify that the rules are only for those on foot, because the others (Bruno Buozzi, according Nosequien) are those who hold power and spent the tough in God knows what. Media buying ... someone says. I referred to The World (Peter J studied in Pamplona) and El Pais (in its board is still, I believe, a temporary ...) which are the two newspapers that more forces against the Work and the Church ... Press purchased by ABC and will refer to Reason, but let me not include the concept of comics in my press. If Opus is devoted to that, would be more demanding.
Or is distraction now accused of discriminating against ... You mean to me? Before brain lacked ... And now I am discriminated against?
What of the millions, like I said, a bitch. And if we had been the Opus, or invest in dirty deals with it ... Do not you think at this point would be democracy and Echevarria, or any of the Bruno Buozzi in Alcala-Meco?
The issue is, my 37 that if Opus has interests, not relative to power you said. I see you have trouble understanding it.
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1) Selene carino qe no such concern for my conversion, 2) but if I'm worried about you, you show by your writing as you are listilla.3 qe) I wonder porqe participate in activities of Opus Dei? 4) and something that surprised me is that decis qe ahi nomas me up, I contribute just enough ....
5) besides a acitud TIBIA, not for me to judge 6) shows like something you're interested in Opus.7) I hope you are not of those who criticize the Opus but like the OPUS as social etiquette. you know what I read of your writing sounds like the kind of person
Marc:
1) I had promised during the canonization of your "sanjosemaría" going to pray for your conversion and you thank me for reminding you, remember? I see your sjmaría did not make you a miracle!
2) Y. .. que te parece! or think I'm falling from the cot with jefesitos I have, all fans OD and have set their eyes on me and a little more I want to have sitting on your lap ...
3) Because my boss invited me to OD and I can not stop going because I know the enormous power they have at key points, of course I do not need the influence they needed to get where they are, (charges) because they are like (and apology comparison) pieces of meat without neurons.
4) Because I've seen that ESP or small coin to collect manifest as cultural association, that is not right Marc! must tell the truth the money collected is for Opus, and that's why I know that there and just give up!
5) I prefer lukewarm (but I would say conservative) as you become soldier Marc fanatic.
6) I think what I said in another part of the forum: I like the retreats that I try not to waste (at least I do not know the others) prayers in Latin, though, I am respectful of those who do not pray in Latin .
7) The fish dies by Marc mouth, and thou hast opus that there are many who use it as social etiquette, or to get charged, which is not my case, I must admit is not me who's looking to them, they who seek me me! I think I can interest both the social label? if it is they who came looking for me?
You'll have to learn to play by yourself
Marc Nevertheless, this tug of war and although I know you, and do not know who the real Marc, I have to say that Opus soldier in Christ will appreciate!
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