| |
|
Author
|
The ghost of opus |
Invitado
|
44 tracks
initiated
377 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 16:03:49 
|
Service 127/02 (Aceprensa)
The Phantom of the Work
With the canonization of Josemaría Escrivá on October 6, arguably a "miracle" of the saint has been to transform the public image of Opus Dei, within and outside the Church. Since the controversy surrounding his beatification in 1992 has gone to a more sober, informed and in many cases, open sympathy. This change in perceptions of Opus Dei is also seen in Italy, according to the article by journalist Rodolfo Brancoli Phantom of the Opera, published in the liberal political magazine (June-July 2002) of center-left, which offer a summary.
Rodolfo Brancoli
2/10/2002.-
As outward signs of this change Brancoli mentions a "full and fair" interview with the prelate of Opus Dei, Bishop Javier Echevarria, published last January in La Repubblica newspaper that is part of a publishing group that has criticized the Opus Dei other occasions. "It's the most eye-catching sign of a substantial change in the way of perceiving the Opus Dei has recently manifested itself in the political establishment, Italian business and cultural and is reflected in the organs of information directly or indirectly influenced by them. The time that has materialized this change has been the international congress held in Rome at the beginning of the year, the centenary of the birth of the founder, who has had unprecedented media coverage, beyond the limited scope of the Catholic press, and that has benefited from the presence at the opening session of exponents forefront of Italian political world in all sectors.
It has moved on
Brancoli detects that "suddenly seems to be 'in' between the politician, businessman, publisher, who until recently sailed by other banks-appear associated in any way publicly to Opus Dei. In this there is an obvious risk of trivializing the message of Escriva, a risk that men and women of the Work (four thousand in Italy) I think they are fully aware, beyond the understandable satisfaction that this entails for those who have had to move for decades between distrust, hostility, innuendo, aggressive campaigns aimed at penalizing and in some cases to criminalize the work. How to understand the revolutionary character of Escriva's message, preventing it from being suffocated by polite applause, is a problem to them, "says Brancoli.
But "we must place on record that has moved on, and after half a century of presence in Italy has been reconstructed image, the very idea of Opus Dei. I'm talking about rebuilding it for a few decades it seemed that there were two Opus Dei: the one who had had the chance to meet him personally contacting members, and another who had only heard about it through media almost always in a context of demonization fabulesca (a secret society, Freemasonry Catholicism, political lobbying, financial, power group ...), leading to rumors that were far light years from reality known by direct experience.
"The fact that Opus Dei, since its founding in Spain (and, therefore up to us, from his landing in Italy in 1946) to the beatification of its founder in 1992, has suffered constant attacks, has been tenacious dislikes of silent hostility, sometimes in real campaigns, and even in Italy, the subject of a parliamentary initiative in the mid eighties that sought to put it out of play as a kind of secret lodge.
Reasons for the misunderstandings
Brancoli then explains some reasons for these misunderstandings. One of them is "the originality of Opus Dei, its character of novelty in the Church, with its proposal for an 'instrument of sanctification' in ordinary life, in his own work, in marriage, if this is the very vocation. " This full revaluation of the laity was an anticipatory intuition of the theology of the laity that is a feature of the post-conciliar Church. "As anticipated that resulted in some sectors of the church a lasting misunderstanding, which resulted in an attitude of open hostility (with some Jesuits in first row). As stated in advance that its founder to the charge of being crazy, and even of being a heretic. Not forgetting either, pointing Brancoli, misunderstandings caused by jealousy, to defend the exclusivity of the protected territories for some time.
This difficulty of understanding the uniqueness of Opus Dei, Brancoli adds, "increases when an experience he wants to be exclusively religious criteria are applied to religious considerations which have nothing". "That misunderstanding in the Church, we transformed into other environments where prejudice and ostracism, which became more virulent in the sense of vulnerability of Opus Dei that the first generated. Thus was born and spread the legend of the hidden power group in which the discretion of the membership, the professional excellence of some members, personal choices at the time of others, became undeniable evidence of a purpose only field the creation of a group of hidden power.
Who bothers
"The reality is that Opus Dei has deeply troubled some powers consolidated. For a newcomer to the civil society, which is directed with its ability to attract professional talents and to be present with its message of excellence in some influential knots, not a little annoying to those who want to control it, whether secular or clerical environments, longstanding field have found a modus vivendi with a substantial division of spheres of influence. Seldom has captured, for example, to what extent the spirit and style of the Opus Dei clergy have nothing. There are very net claims Escrivá against the very idea of a single party of the Catholics against the 'Catholic solutions', against clericalization of the areas of civil society against triumphalism, against the interference of clerics with the claim of being guides in the areas of lay believers themselves and, of course, against the claim to direct the vote. "
"Consistently, throughout the history of Opus Dei has never been a collective statement in favor or against certain policy. For the simple reason that it has no or can have it. And in the case of Italy, it is indisputable that all Catholic organizations operating here is probably the most they have been excluded from the Christian Democrats.
The poor and the bankers
Brancoli warns here that Opus Dei has taken exception to some sectors of Italian Catholicism, "whether he still amateur at traditional organizational forms and the occupation of separate spaces (Catholic doctors, employers either that Catholics ...); hiperpolitizado (in the civilian sphere, but also inclined to a politicization of the faith and the vision of a politicized role of the Church) and with an ethos pauperism, welfare, class, Third. Unable to understand that the recipient of the message of redemption, and sanctification, is not only the peasants of the Andes, but the Wall Street banker ( 'a hundred souls we are interested hundred', Escrivá said) and that an action intended to personal training such as that of the Opus Dei can not neglect any group at the same time, to be effective, must go to homogeneous groups in a style appropriate to his condition, without demagoguery or egalitarianism.
"In this field there has been a confluence objective against Opus Dei, including the Catholic world that not forgive him for not privileged to the poor in his ministry and to go in the first instance to professional environments, and that part of the secular world to which it seems wonderful that the Church is dedicated to the poor and less well also engaged bankers.
With the Council and John Paul II
In Italy, says Brancoli, Opus Dei has had a strong dislike of militant Catholicism sectors on an institution that, in the great exodus after the Council, has remained firmly loyal to papal teaching. Hence came against Opus Dei anticonciliar guidance prosecution, a charge that looks paradoxical because the conciliar texts are a tremendous endorsement by the doctrine that Escrivá was taught since 1928. Not only that, as the Opus Dei there is finally a legal solution that will give you a solid anchor in the hierarchical structure of the Church through the formula of 'Personal Prelature'. Therefore, the work owes much to the council and is well aware of that. "
"By firmly anchored in the teaching of the Pope, the work is identified with John Paul II, which established an undeniable affinity. So no wonder that those not attuned to the Pope, not in tune with the Work nor (...) The members of Opus Dei are thus becoming the 'praetorian Pope' for a publicist hostile to both. "
"For his strong identification with Pope John Paul II, Opus Dei benefits from the strengthening of the size and the consideration of this pope, also in the more distant".
"It also benefits from more direct knowledge, because every year tens of thousands of people come in contact with the work centers in 23 Italian cities. Direct knowledge can also verify that after all is not true that a power center, which does not practice an occupation of space, there is no 'roped' professionals together with other mixed. Power, not only politically, has noted this, and Italian-information for many years has preferred not to understand, through laziness or militancy clinging to a negative image-crystallized has followed his wheel. To give the impression that Opus Dei is now fashionable”.
|
|
| cazuelo |
4 tracks
initiated
64 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 19:08:43 
|
| I think, my friend asked, that what you do can be called directly joke, something to which many members of Opus Dei, where infantile unconsciousness and always moved by this desire to "give doctrine" engage too often. Does it matter to see ceporro: if this is a forum, is for you to express your opinion with your words, not cut and paste (you do not even have chopped the text) articles Aceprensa, moreover publication and like all know, criticism is well with the Work. That you do, invited, is called "intellectual dishonesty". But then, you know, the end justifies the means ... A greeting |
|
| Invitado |
44 tracks
initiated
377 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 19:36:06
|
Aceprensa In my time was not critical of the work, indeed bulletins were received in all places ... even ... also brought recomentadban articles on movies currently running, with a score (less exaggerated than the inner but served to give doctrine)
Has it changed? Or is it Aceprensa? |
|
| Ulises |
4 tracks
initiated
106 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 19:37:49
|
That currently both political environments, such as economic and Italian media are accepted best Opus is entirely logical if one considers that Berlusconi has almost all the Italian media in his possession, besides being president of the nation, and that the current pope is flattering of Opus, but none of that shows that the Opus is less sectarian attitudes and to change nothing about their behavior.
What no doubt that today in Italy, and Spain and other countries, it is easier to maintain economic and political interests not dealing with Opus Dei? |
|
| Evaristo |
7 tracks
initiated
149 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 20:20:27
|
That is, a guest can not put it in Aceprensa, but there are people who can recommend links of the year 97 on cults ...
This really do not understand |
|
| marcelo |
2 tracks
initiated
33 messages
posted
common |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 20:57:10
|
In this forum, can express themselves freely?
Yes or no?
Marcelo |
|
| tanit |
0 tracks
initiated
45 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 22:16:05
|
Evaristo, we meet again.
The truth is q. in the fund can q. is the same, but apparently is much more enjoyable in a forum run into a link, if you want to open it, q. a comprehensive text with any q. you've got q. swallowing force.
Opus Dei has power, much power poder.Y logically entails riqueza.Por Unfortunately we do not know everything they have, because their members have come to the forefront of this spiral of power and control from there. And they control more than we think.
For the degree q. I reached inside, knew what they wanted q. conociera.Se follows a pyramid scheme. Well, once more I was stuck on issues of equity firms and other tangible property of the opus.
When I got out of a thousand ways op reclame such documentation, because I wanted to see involved in any legal or financial dark matter.
Just as my will. He did not find neither one nor the other.
The notary to q. I went, - supernumerio lifetime-not get over his astonishment.
Did not fit in my head that I did not have a copy of EASA documentation. Of q. I did not know the name of the notary, because in fact lleguea never know.
At the time of signing the will is not notarized. Your copy a model q. you deliver, sign and give it to the director. Ala is done the will of another. Y. .. (excuse) If the skin all her resources to opus.Y their parents and siblings to give them ball. It's will be Dios.Así.
Finally, a penita of people (and a sonverguenzas).
Greetings
|
|
| Evaristo |
7 tracks
initiated
149 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
21 October de 2002 at 22:24:17
|
Like the newly opened discussion with the text of such distress
|
|
| Lola2002 |
12 tracks
initiated
179 messages
posted
veteran |
|
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 01:39:42
|
Tanit, What counts is terrible. There is no way to defend it ... And all this in God's name? Re-understand what while the person is of the work, but when he goes, he goes with his own (for example, your will) ...
The truth is, a penalty (as well as you say)
Lola
icq: 172943141
|
|
| Ulises |
4 tracks
initiated
106 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 10:23:08
|
Evaristo and Marcelo seems to have decided to change the way they speak, are now bare comments without entering into arguments.
I see that you are both very interested in raising it in this forum there is no freedom to express, I have said on several occasions, but it is clear that however much insistais not going to convince anyone. If someone believes that something should be put is the opinion of a person and has the same right to say it than wear it, until there are some general rules to do so.
I get the impression that you are not accustomed to hold talks on freedom and so sometimes, like Marcelo, decidis cut without more conversations, sometimes as Evaristo, you say that things are on balls, and other, as both , you are wanting someone to say something to bring that here there is no freedom of expression. |
|
| aquilina |
0 tracks
initiated
13 messages
posted
recent |
| |
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 11:18:03
|
And no one, please leave now saying Tanit tells lies because he has stayed in aa few opus no. and has never made a will, because, as someone has just and sometimes pointed out, the structure is pyramidal, and not all come to do, and know everything that relates to the spirit and praxi opus. Specifically, it will do the aggregate cash and get to make the fidelity, the final incorporation bone (it takes at least 6 aa. And a half since the pitaj, sometimes more if you do not have very "good spirit"). For this reason some former Fellows who have not been so long, former supernumerary (which almost never get to make the fidelity, almeno So it was about fifteen aa.) And of course former or current guys or girls of St. Raphael and St. Gabriel is normal not to have never heard of this practice and many others that raise topics in this forum.
A greeting to all. |
|
| marcelo |
2 tracks
initiated
33 messages
posted
common |
| |
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 13:21:25
|
Ulises,
I only can say is perguntas freely. Yes or no?
In addition, you care about is I have changed or not style?
Let each follow his style. Let each respect the style of another ...
I think this would be more liberdad?
What you think?
Well then, Ulysses, as you want me to behave? What is the style that you want me to take? What words would you like me to say? What arguments would you have me expose? What vision of the world want me to defend?
Oops ... speaks ... then you'll think if ...
In addition, short for communication, it might be for several reasons: travel, work, damn, weakness, swelling, ...
And I think, is no freedom of expression, I can enter and leave the forum, when I like and I like. What you think?
You've been a board of who enters and leaves deste forum? You've been an accounting of the responses of each? Analisais the style of each "Forista" and its interventions? (Do not take me to bad, but if that's crazy ...)
Ah, I do not need to convince anyone ...
everyone in the ass shit that is ...
I hope, moreover, that your respect that my opinion ...
MARCELO |
|
| tanit |
0 tracks
initiated
45 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 13:39:26
|
The Phantom of the opus. For if, while many things q. story may seem fanciful, are reales.Al world of s. XXI unrealistic because it sound like there's nowhere to place them.
I guess q. therefore participate in this forum. For q. are known. And each, free, make your discretion and decision making.
It was the will as such. And not just ahí.Cuando went to make a new will, (it was the only way q. - had to cancel the q. I tried throwing up), I spend something very cuiriosa.
I went to the notary mentioned above (a supernumerary with a lifelong reputation), the q. was amazed not to see the irregularities committed by the leaders.
Suddenly she got the "good spirit". The "good spirit" of the work is beyond good and evil, of the laws and regulations of society. (You must press). He tried to dissuade me not to add to my New Testament, certain clauses.
In one of them is about my desire to q. my heirs do not transfer any of my assets to the Opus Dei Prelature. (There q. q. consider both my parents like most of my brethren are of opus)
Everything was eves or reprimendas.Tuve to return again and again to his office to q. one day I said I did not care, q. I go to another notary and zanjábamos the issue.
In the end, very upset, he signed it.
Well guys, just roll.
Saludos y. .. thanks for your support, Lola, Aquilina and Ulises.Buenas disquisitions.
Evaristo, if you want to talk about the discussion in the Forum on M º Sorrows, go there. If q. want is to compare with it, guess we have things in common but I did not live with the founder or had high government positions q. had it.
By the way, you read the book?
|
|
| Marc |
1 tracks
initiated
77 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 18:57:30
|
Sorry that I know everyone knows what the will and to test for the Work, then if that did not like because it agreed to be members of the Work.
One of the keys is to do things because we feel like it, then do not understand because if you do not like what the item will accept
|
|
| Evaristo |
7 tracks
initiated
149 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 20:17:18
|
Hi guys
I would like someone to bring me one of my arguments in expressing far things are for balls.
I see that we begin to match Ulysses (disturbing, no?) Each publishes what he comes out of the balls (not an argument ...) but warns that publish Aceprensa is "foreseeable" on anyone, and even criticized by some us, but other text or Fisac Sorrows ... because that is neither predictable nor criticism from them. Tanit quiet, you never compare with anybody. I just wanted to warn that certain incongruity.
Perhaps it is true that I am more concise (and more that I can be) but I think I said that I was always tired rebut my arguments with the tune of "predictable" doctrine to "infiltrate" ... Also I do not care to convince anyone (an argument used for that) but simply counting and comparing my experience: if it works, okay, if not ... what remedy it.
A note on what the will: already have suggested that what is done by the fidelity, ie with a certain age, I began to seem that you think of the stupidity of adolescence also think the stupidity of the twenty-odd . If you do not want to test for Opus, you go and holy Easter. As much as I think I do not see more complication. I left. Many of you have gone. Well here we are so happy.
Finally, and not to be brief, I confess I have not read the Book of Sorrows. Neither managed to finish the book Postulator. And not started Rialp many spiritual reading. Perhaps professional defect, but one is very demanding about what they read.
|
|
| Ulises |
4 tracks
initiated
106 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
22 October de 2002 at 21:00:46
|
Marcelo, of course I care what they say all participants in this forum, and also as they say. Of course I accept your opinions but do not agree with them, and of course I can to disagree with your opinions as well with your style, if he deems relevant.
|
|
|
There are 4
pages of post: 1 
Close this topic
moderated forum