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I went in 1966 thinking I was going to study. Fifteen years old and just turned a friend told me I was going to a residence where young ladies working for them, in the afternoon he would study. I then worked in a shop assistant, I had my parents not been able to more ambitious studies and knowledge, so I managed to make me admit at that residence. Until then he had never heard of OD
All I got was to know more about cooking, religion, cleaning, washing, etc..
Of course they gave me education, on the contrary, I became a servant of the coat and apron.
Shortly after I had my typical siege, cornered me and telling me I had a vocation, not knowing anything about life (note the year, postwar Franco) Pite and sent me to a study center where I had brainwashing completito. But I saw a lot of contradictions and even wanted to accept them as a mortification again, my subconscious did not agree and started to get sick so depressed that I think I died hubira not get out of there.
I say get out, because both the two years I was in the place first, as I spent at the study center, were in the countryside and surrounded by high walls, and just left there to travel and excursions accompanied by more maids or ladies like me.
During the time I lived as a numerary assistant, I swear it was a real saint, served in excess (for example, I pulled the hair-shirt to the limit) all the rules, but, while accepting the heroic minute, until a cold shower in winter , the hair shirt, sleep a day a week at table, eat less of what I liked and more of what I wanted, and other sacrifices, could not accept that God discriminates against their daughters, it was so class. I told myself, 'Look what happens is that the girls deliver more money than you, because by having more race wins. But I replied: "Well, but if they give it all I also give it all, as they have given life I will not marry me. So why should I be your servant all his life and call and you miss? Why not let me look at me too, because that was my dream?
As I've said, perhaps this disagreement was what made me sick, and we know that there are sick people are not allowed. And still did not have the votes. So, without my knowing it then, I did a huge favor by saying he had no vocation.
I die to believe rejected by God. So that now I know that God had nothing to do with my pitaj or my way.
March certainly had to do it secretly, as if he had done something wrong. I could not lay off anyone. I was forbidden to say I had to leave.
Thank God I'm released.
PAX para todos
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I forgot to mention that I never said the reason for my lack of vocation. Come to think if it was because he had made friends with a numerary assistant, rather than other I mean, and I also think that might have been because she was ill, the truth is that by that time I had a medical examination.
Then you saw it, because I had a bad on my return to the world, but it was the best thing that could happen. Inside I was dead. Now I am married and have kids I'm happy.
In short, this is my story. Anybody else want to tell theirs?  
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Hola a todos / as!!, First of all I would like to introduce myself, I'm Iris "Coleman" (How You Like It), took some time "hanging out" this forum and how I felt identified with many of the stories I decided to join it to count my particular experience and pass an opinion.  .
The theme in this round of messages is called "history affected," Well, perhaps not a direct victim in this story, although the air is a possible connection with the Work ... that why I say this? (patience now expose   ..)
My boyfriend say that "sympathy" with some of the ideas of opusinos, suppose that the influence of the mother (supernumerary) made a dent in it from early childhood and although he has assured me that neither is nor will the Opus, if I record that goes to a social club of the Prelature, which keeps somewhat uneasy.
When we started our relationship, I knew he was a person of very settled beliefs and spiritual life intensa.Yo say that instead, but I got to make her First Communion, then I disowned all that liturgy and worship.
So far everything is doing well, the question of how I can affect in the future about certain beliefs and tenets of faith, I approach it as I know the relationships you have my boyfriend with the Work.
To be honest I have to "confess" (hehe as we are with the religious theme ..) which until not long ago, there was only knowledge about this "lifestyle", so I appropriated much information as possible and looking for I came across this forum (very interesting indeed).
Conclusion and assessment: what I know is that just pleases me (to say the least ..). I read testimonies being objective rather tricky but there are also super optimistic and carefree: what do I do if? I would say that what the heart and tells me that, regardless of the implications this matter, I met a very special person, sensitive and sympathetic, and I just think that I'm going to retire by "aversion" or opposed to some of his thoughts (some discussions are mounted between lay and religious who do  pa).
Seen this way, no problem, we were to cede both in certain respects (to be fair) and we know each other further.
The day I addressed him, I was scared (to deny), then, know that I was not objective so I stopped to think coolly in his attitude when he is with me: I talk about casticismo misogenia and that "it seems be, "characterize the work and some more (although I said that my boyfriend is not, one might think that perhaps is preparing to be, why he maintains that such attitudes would be against the rules opusinas, truth ?)  
About mortification, he told me he never used the hair shirt, but made small sacrifices in their daily lives to honor God as the heroic minute or taking the stairs instead of taking the elevator ... curious is the case, something that most (and here I include myself) do to feel good and fit, someone else interprets and applies the religious sphere: planting and does not involve slaughter. Is to be flexible and friendly, right?
This is the positive view of the situation, that eye, not to say that still has some aspects that further clarification and setting out, which I will continue commenting on several units (if I make it clear !!!). Oh, and rinsed Mosquises if not brainwashed me or nothin 'about it, each with their belief, which has its advantage in the relationship: You take it out more juice to life and you become more tolerant.
That's it for today, if someone has come to this line without going to sleep
 ...: Congratulations !!!!! You will be given a huge besote!
Muaaaá! 
P.D. espero vuestras impresiones.
Hasta la próxima.
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Dear Iris, by what you wrote you seem a nice girl, happy, continues, with the good sense of humor.
My advice to what questions is that if you're in love with that guy she salts, and seeing that he is as a believer at all costs try to make him see that not only can he love God within the sect to which your mother.
Tell him that God can not be so evil that only let them place in heaven to those who sacrifice for Him
And above all do not accept half-truths. They are omitted from O.P. to make friends with people because, if they knew from the beginning would be on guard and be more difficult to integrate into the organization.
Once inside, make them believe they are happy, but trust me, you can be happy with as many rules as you implemented when you whistle.
And remember, you can be good (as I suspect it's you) without mortification by God, I think he wants our happiness and unhappiness nuetra not.
I hope I help.
Hugs for all.
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My experience in the O.D. has been at least ten years as a girl from San Rafael, well nine more or less, and one supernumerary. My parents were on the agenda more or less in my teens, so I started my first contacts padre.No influenced by my opus went to college, yet if I studied the race in one of them and there I could learn more about afin people and work. By that time I asitia opus to a meditation center, circle, retreats, etc.. and then a well-known numerary vocation I raised the cash, which I never believed me or not I wanted to believe and so we came back and forth between her and me. I started to feel a little cornered, because he kept insisting, in a coexistence incluisve I attended very depressed, I think it raised again in collusion with the priest who kept the meditations to raise issues of vocation. However I do not erre que erre I got off the donkey because she felt he had no vocation, that I was suffocating. In short I finally went to another floor of the work, which belonged to another delegation because my friends were there and I stopped seeing this as heavy numerary who was setting, she felt, and I somehow freed me affection even tapeworm . In that half-time I started dating a guy, good to get a say because he was a foreigner and we only wrote, and I of course I told the people of the work, managers at the floor, so that was my soprresa that now I lobbied to be supernumerary. I was still holding out because he saw no light, I still choking the life plan so tight people of the book, but by a combination of circumstances at the end a numerary dick my sister without calling, press and others by boredom, ta , can also serve another friend of mine did the NSF, and I at the end of supernumerary cai, if not by imitation or by thinking it was a coward when the other has already done bian. After six months or so my sister left him, and not have a good time poor, but she told me directly not much, and I left a year too. From this many years ago, and I can say that the experience was a bit overwhelming, without going as far out in disgust or released as happens to others. Was very little time inside, although it was quite out, not clear that the OD concoction until it is inside. I just read the books of Maria del Carmen Tapia and anguish dark maria and the truth is that they are put goosebumps. Despite my short experience within and beyond as a supernumerary, if I realized the mystery that shrouded the people of the work, something I did not like at all and do not quite understand it was treated as an association of lay in d ela church. Not be explained but not everything was clear in the Work, now after reading the book and read the views of this forum, you understand many things that will no doubt make the minimum for the work. I do not think everything is bad, but not everything is clear, there is interest, mystery, subterfuge which sometimes a little scary. I think the book would gain more followers if they were more clear with people that will become part of it, even if they were more charitable to the people who march, I did not much matter to me quit, so if to ask me no money after a hair cut.
In order could be talking for hours but neither the dissertation me as I'm enjoying being left. From now on I will CRUCIBLE though I register on the forum  |
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Crisol...and a school called the work ... You're from that place ? |
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Crisol name selected at random I have nothing to do with that event name.
I would like to put something like that comes my question about the item on the agenda. It is clear from the experiences of all those people who went out and told her life from inside the work, things, well some have changed within the work. For example not being able to go sleeveless women, the veil in church, and other details that escape me now, well, you can not have changed anything in the RE according to the times?. This means that there are things that have been adapted because of the circumstances, or the fact that they are changing for better and more appealing for those who want to approach them, for example the aura of mystery that surrounds them, more naturally, age for the final whistle that is not how far, the parents could tell you whistle without fear of thinking you want to take the call, and are a negative influence? I mean? It is possible that things have been softened a bit, the more expert you believe? To give an example, all we seem to complain that mystique where people are wrapped in the work, it may not be setting aside for fear of not get followers, to call it somehow?
another thing that intrigues me is that the experiences from within the work have been told by older people, but no one in the years 2000 to be encouraged to tell their own from a public platform, of course clear that is not to Internet?
Or is that now no one gets out of Opus?
And finally, I do not know the current prelate, but being a younger person that St. Josemaria and more today, and above is the founder and above is a third party in the direction of macro opus dei, not tending more to go normality and to suppress what they really do not think is attractive? What do you think of this? Think you can change for the better? I wish someone would give me his opinion, and if possible more than one, to compare them. Greetings CRISOL |
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Some things changed in the opus: now women can wear pants (even 2 sizes larger), but still can use numeraries sleeveless shirts. Longer exists a custom in which the director, in a given day (can not remember which was) I opened the closet and took out a piece (do not know where she was to stop), to live poverty and detachment. They do not make vows, they are now renewing commitments every 19 March ... but it is still hell out of young ...
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Hi, Poppy.
Many of us here has told of his experiences in work and I gather that they marked us all to the rest of our lives.
I'm happy for Lola that says what happened in divinely, I can not say the same, but enfin, it would be best not to remember those misfortunes and use the wings, but cut us with the freedom we have grown back.
However I believe that while it hurts us recall that jail "voluntary" in which we fell, I will do a thousand times if that him that only a person opens his eyes.
I've read on this forum something about drugs and although I guessed something would not believe that may be true, but if it is it will be something that we will often mention that reaches the eyes of people who still believe in the honesty of this sect.
Its members have been accomplished, at least in Spain, the leading positions of the nation, and acquiring power and money, and as his father asked in paragraph 15 of The Way: "Do not waste your energy and your time that are God, stoning the dogs bark at you the way. Desprécialos. " pass oblivious to those who can judge their actions as they are known safe in their golden tower.
Sometimes I think that the same God who became Lucifer devil for his pride as he believed so powerful, perhaps one day wake up and realize that someone given the powerful appeal of the devil: "All this will give you if I postrándote worship "and now feels like Lucifer: as powerful as God.
Forgive all this rant, really just wanted to thank you for your witness and take courage, to which you have not yet done so to contéis those stories that can help the doubters.
Mua, mua, mua, thanks.
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Tanit Please tell us what drugs, I think it will be very interesting to know that side of the O.
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Hi 37,
the issue of drugs in the forum I tell this topic q. someone has started.
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