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I've found this forum via our website we left. I think the best would be that we went we begin to take the issue seriously and start making complaints in the courts against the violation of human rights repeatedly inflict opus with teens raised on their organization.
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| cabernet |
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14 January de 2003 at 16:39:52
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How can we denounce the Opus to the courts if the Attorney General of the State (Spain) is the Opus, and many judges and magistrates?
The "holy intransigence" is more important than justice and the law. |
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| Evaristo |
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I wholeheartedly support the initiative of Pipa. Any violation of human rights should take their complaint. And if it is a crime ... to court. And if guilty, to prison. Someone once said here that the truth has no jaws: a cowardly fear seems to justice and hide it in vain and meaningless excuses. The XXI century is here, cabernet, democracy is a fact...
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| ana |
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14 January de 2003 at 22:20:05
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hola pipa,
I think a very good one. count me in for denunciation. you have my e-mail user list. YA ESTA BIEN! we must stop that grab a child and making noise but at least something will get.
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| Amapola |
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I agree with Pipa and Anne, but I also agree with Cabernet, how are we to complain if they represent the Justice? Spanish are part of the report we are going to (forgive the redundancy).
Evaristo you despite being outside Opus (as you say), despite our writing test for the atrocities that have made us (you and we know it), although see (looks better from the sidelines) we're licking our wounds, after all, you keep the other side. Why do it? Why are they with their money and influence can pull strings and do and undo? Do you keep on the sunny side that most heated?
Perhaps you do not have the courage of that boast, it is very easy (being on the side of the fort) to say that injustices have to report them. It's like encouraging a bull without horns with a layer of reinforced concrete.
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| pusey-2 |
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15 January de 2003 at 09:38:25
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It is disappointing, but there you have running at the Scientology sect, which increasingly has more power, the Legionnaires, whose founder has been accused of pedophilia and yet are given honors by the Vatican ...
What I would need is that we unite more (no more, but something) to form a lobby to the Catholic Church and to the States. Unfortunately now I can devote to it, but if that solution is not more to join on an institutionalized. |
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| cabernet |
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15 January de 2003 at 09:49:25
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| Endorse the proposal of Pusey-2. If there ODAN USA, why is not there something similar in Spain, Mecca of the shed east of the Opus? |
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| cabernet |
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Evaristo: if you saw the amount of injustice and abuse that occur in the courts in Spain and now ...
False witnesses, friends with the court, strategies "extra", etc..
Not only because I know what I suffer, but also I do if I win a case.
Do not be so naive to think that the administration of justice is fair !!! |
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| Evaristo |
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I can not believe I just read this: one proposes to mount a lobbying group (and others seconded him), one recognizes that makes slight violations of the law when considering other higher end ... ENGAGED AND THAT THEY THEMSELVES OR ATTEMPT TO PRACTICE IS THE SAME AS IN THE OPUS DEI ASSAIL!
Really, you have disappointed me.
Poppy dear: do not look elsewhere. I am also in yours. I mean no sides in this life I have learned to hate confrontation. My participation in this forum is due to wanting to share experiences, to join other people, but not to part with anyone. And the sun hotter the same that you shines and gives warmth to you.
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This message by mistake, I've put on the theme of "Before the whistle" Evaristo'm with you in what you say you create a pressure group is like doing what you want to counter. Perhaps the term "lobbyist" is not adequate. I just think it would be necessary to create an association that would serve to make people listen to all who in good faith, have been manipulated in such groups as the "Work".
On the other hand the political and unfortunately only provide care to the vote and not the justice of the claims. And that may be legal remedies to the abuses suffered by former members (and even, as protection for those who still are) in economic affairs and, as non-psychological and moral damage, no other choice but to form partnerships for this.
Evaristo, you speak of resentment. There is resentment, it is to repair and reinstate at person in the entirety of their dignity. "
Well, following the reasoning of Evaristo, I agree with you that it is unethical not to use procedures allowed under law to achieve its own interests. But I seem to know the value of Cabernet confession that now things are so that to achieve corropidas
fair dealing was sometimes have to resort to such means. What's worse is the hypocrisy, that is to appear as a holy institution and have no compunction about lying, pressure, threaten, only because "it suits" or "the Father wills it".
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| Evaristo |
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17 January de 2003 at 16:00:08
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If I also agree that, ^ Pusey, if we know justice in Spain as it is. But the blame for this situation is not Opus. Cabernet And I understand perfectly, I said once those things are Bambi in comparison to what we did not know. I do not intend to leave no evidence or question his professionalism, but those minicambalaches also been used in this forum to attack the Opus.
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| ana |
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17 January de 2003 at 22:41:45
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legal seems much more to say, as stated by a forum participant, saying that if you want to win a case to do "what to do," do not do it and see which is best. at least the first transparent.
and if it is true that the Spanish state attorney general is the opus dei, as well as many judges and magistrates, and indeed also what comentais that to win you have to invent, lie, cheat ... (can not remember what you said) is a SHAME! that people who this "sanctifying" do it this way: what legal ethics to justice would step down for reasons of personal ethics but goes! Here's opus sanctify their own way (no missing money! because it would mean losing their jobs or earn less gain nothing).
It is what you can think ...: IF THE SYSTEM IS SO ...
for if the system is so corrupt, and anyone who "is sanctified" can be attorney general of a system that is corupto.
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| Invitado |
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Pipa ? ERes Pipa Casiva (de Argentina) |
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25 January de 2003 at 15:51:08
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It seems an excellent idea of a complaint, but unfortunately the same can not be done in court.
There are several points, consider:
1) As you say, many judges are involved.
2) The OD is a legal institution established and protected by the Holy See, big mess, great view, we lose far.
3) You need visible evidence, witnesses, written orders, films, recordings, it is expensive and you do life is at stake.
4) The Holy See would have to audit the work, sure, find nothing.
5) Our name would be registered in a Court, the only OD J. Echevarria. Retaliation would be extreme, is a cult, not to forget.
An alternative:
It can create a web publishing or paper where these activities are reported on the agenda. People still inside (like myself) and we pass information to publish. This will make it reach to international organizations working for human rights. Start creating an atmosphere of doubt and suspicion for those who are near the OD, for example, parents who send their children to schools of education super "integral".
In the end, it's people, which will try and get movement.
Friends, we must publish, think of all, a good web site, seriously where formal complaints are received. Eye, mind you, this forum is great, but this is not what matters to the human rights organizme, but pages that contain, testimonies, photos, films and formal complaints against these people.
Something like the foundation has made Samuel Winsentall with the Nazis or the Palestinian movement denouncing extremist Jews.
I am willing to help, listen to suggestions.
Un abrazo
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Kron, totally agree with you. We are creating a partnership to make this kind of thing. Unmasking the OD and help at people who want out or who are leaving.
Why do not you join us?
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| Amapola |
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25 January de 2003 at 20:34:34
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I like what he proposes Kron, but beyond that we could draw together a statement, clear and concise, which explain how harmful it is the OP for adolescents, and, once completed, will put a note thanking those who read, and agree to make known what we have, make copies to distribute. Will this be a way to multiply indefinitely our work.
What do you think?
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