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| I you have a little surprised: Reading the forum posts you have the feeling that l @ s of Opus are some more zip ti @ s @ s that rar @ s. I l @ s I know in Euskadi (Basque Country) are pretty standard. Like is a problem of l @ s Spanish / as, every time l @ s understand less, or perhaps a problem of l @ s that you are in the forum that you are not Representativ @ s or l @ s that are inside or de l @ s that are out. Someone explained it to me? because I do not block what you read with what I know in my country and know people who are inside and people outside but he was inside. |
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| iggy |
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Hello guest,
Of course there are tremendous people within the OD I think that is beyond doubt. I myself, without considering that I was one of those great people, I was in the OD for about 9 years and I considered a crackpot, nor my "big brother" or "sisters." Although the adjective that your job - "rare," is very relative. We considered ourselves chosen by God, with a special vocation. To understand me, just as the apostles, who left everything and followed Jesus. But of course all this can be judged as "very rare" or understandable by a person who, for example, disagrees with the Catholic Church or the od In fact, I remember hearing that the Work had many enemies because they have no faith in the supernatural, only saw the play a worldly purpose institution and therefore attackers.
The apostles could also be considered rare guys. Think about that that was a tax collector-S.Mateo?-And suddenly left everything to follow this Jew named Jesus. Or the one that became just as I was on the lookout for the Christian-S.Pablo. Well, you know. It also must be very rare kind of guy who jumped into the arena singing hymns while they were lunching lions for public amusement and entertainment of the Roman circus. You see, invited, you should specify that you employ adjective "uncles rarer than rare" because it is subjective and depends on how you look.
If I had known at that time that I was from work, I have spoken only of the positives of Opus Dei, because I hid myself wrong. I would never have released any dirty rag. And I had tried to get close as possible to the authors' work. invite you to a little game of football .. then to a meditation ... so then let me introduce you to a cure most charming ...
The problem is that we left some of the work, for various reasons, and then, over time, as the case we reflect increasingly freely and objectively and time ahead (days, months, years .. . some a lifetime ...) everything that we have lived. Of course, I fear that some contradictions may emerge that were overlapping. That is perhaps what you see in their forum, expressed by former members of different age and origin.
I do not consider them rare guys at all. At least I know who speak their minds without fear. They may be wrong, influenced ... whatever you want. But nobody says what they say and believe me-this-is fantastic.
Iggy
ps, invitado, decías en tú mensaje "alguíen me lo explica?". Permíteme que te sugiera hacer preguntas más precisas, así no tendras respuestas tan aburridas y extensas como la mía  |
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Hello, Ginevere call me, I want to speak to tell what you have said, iggi, on these "invitations".
You see, I started to learn more about the OD for less than a year. While in class one day a colleague told me that if I wanted to tell his life mattered, and then began telling me of his devotion and had met people that had been added on the agenda. From that day I was trying to convince to go with her to the institution they attended to see and speak to me everyday that we should go together to a retreat, brought me all the brochures of withdrawals for the read and I took out library books to its center to read them, as I did stick my rejected are picked up and leafed through a few days after returning them. Then he began to insist that every minute that we were free in between classes we went to the chapel and read me excerpts from "The Way." Of course, that day after day I started my tire and stopped to take her books citing lack of time and stuff.
We have finished college and stay or ever talked on the phone. One day he said he would attend a Congress and if I wanted to make a presentation to her and I accepted, was the UNIV and I knew how it was related, as we caught the media decided to go to Rome even if your center, but I would be more respectful to my roll. That was impossible, I am not going to give details but I had a bad, my family would even get me a plane ticket to go back midweek. One day I discussed with my friend because, although he said diplomatically that overwhelmed me and let me breathe on my own a little more and increasingly pressed down and I felt really bad. Beyond that, I will marry and girls came with me on the bus to read me excerpts from the opinion of Escriva about sexuality and marriage.
I did not see her again since then but calls me and writes e-mails, and if we were friends before and had normal conversations on all items (studies, work, entertainment) now always brings up the subject on the agenda and references and I feel uncomfortable. Without knowing my mother called me one day and I was not talked to her and told her to go with her and her mother to the canonization of Blessed. And that's when I think it has been exceeded. I do not know what to do because they want to be very gross but who has made her not want to know. Me gustaría saber vuestra opinión, sobre todo la tuya Iggi, porque me gusta como hablas. I feel having taken so long.
Thanks
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Iggy, the truth that I too love how you say things ... so clearly! This sentence is as it is what I feel:
"If I had known at that time that I was from work, I have spoken only of the positives of Opus Dei, because I hid myself wrong. I would never have released any dirty rag. And there tried to get close as possible to the authors' work. invite you to a little game of football .. then to a meditation ... etc. then let me introduce you to a cure most charming ... "
God!
The truth, I keep thanking the freedom with which I live today ... and the amount of friends as I really ... (not "pitables" or "brothers", many of whom disappeared and never called, but when I meet tell me hare mucho que no te veo, why not pass by the center...¿¿¿¿ ?)
Gracia spor participar y se tan claro!
Lola
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The chat has appeared more life since Iggy.
I agree with your stance of not paying attention to this girl added, and I think the poor have no idea what is the apostolate. First is friendship and trust but it must respect the freedom you can not coerce people so badly. I for my part with all that surrounds me and that through which I have known the work, he never acted that way and never pressured me into anything, because you can not be natural.
Opus Dei is a marvel, but not all the people in it are Opus Dei, they do not understand the true message of the work, I am very sorry to have had such bad experience.
Iggy I love your comments, now Tell me a bit more capable but because I forgot you were gone, as was the process.
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| Marc, you say first is the friendship and confidence, and wonder how this is done indiscriminately to all members of Opus?, because true friendship is something that arises spontaneously rather than something that can be done by rule. Also say that you should not coerce people so bad, does that mean that you think you have to be more skilled at coercion?. And that is not entirely natural, what do you mean?. |
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Marc, Every time I talk I "urged" to make me more fond of it, to say such a thing (or I was going to ask is, how and when) that invite such ... What is " chutzpah "that shame should be taken only to sin, if I was evil for God or heavy seemed to think no matter what the other person (because I was doing good, for he was a treasure, that is the opus, and it was giving ...) That's "natural"? That's "friendship and confidence"? I really only understood exactly that phrase when I left the opus, and I did (or recovered) friends of truth, and then I can talk about confidence and true friendship ... otherwise it was not ... (what is done is manipulated the friendship)
If you want to discuss it, but you know that what you say is not invention ...
Bye! 
Lola
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Maaaaaaaarc...!!
Back from Romaaaaa! You've convertiidooooo?.
Calculate how much money is going to come at Opus coffers?
Cariños
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| Marc, Now I've touched the moral with the theme of friendship. Sometimes a story that illustrated a tirade of theory. One day the director of my center, I came with a note in which he had a name and address. I literally said to go home this boy (who had not seen in my life) and to invite meditation. Surprised when I asked the director told me it was because I needed friends. Watch Marc, if this were an isolated event that the director would think that was crazy, but from what I've been told (without going further, the example of two responses back Lola2002) is common practice. Moreover, if you have a true friend (of life) and Opus Dei, you attract what you give up for lost friend by the bloody and mania have particular friendships. The friendship and confidence no longer just another of a thousand cliches that have to justify whether attitude. Greetings to all. |
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Iggy have triumphed.
I also identify with all of your comments, ah! and I myself also "forced" to whistle. I think all or almost all the pressure as you or me. Need vocations at all costs. To us who we were told not to do that whistle, at least three people a year was not good spirit of the Work.
Do you remember this song?:
In the sea there are big fish in their thousands
you know, you know,
you have to go through the water without regret,
must be entered between fish without fear.
When you see a fish you put in your height,
with skill, ease,
you shoot the harpoon with marksmanship
then you catch it and it's over.
CHORUS:
I like fishing,
but underwater fishing
to chase the fish,
is a divine thing.
I like fishing
no hook and no line,
expect that bite
I will not suit me,
expect that bite
not going to not going.
What do you think that the desconocíais? We sang at the gatherings.
PAX - INETERNUM
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Girls guys, I think what they say and do not like it, will that fortunately has not happened to me yet, take this into account.
Selene soon as I returned from Rome, and was very good, buenisimo, but do not walk like walk around here that are telling her that you give to Rome.
Of course that if it was a flood by the Spanish, and I thought of you muchisimo because in Spain is very strong and very grupete and use it as a social being of the Opus card. Piazza Spagna could not spend, Espanoles majetes filled with flags, chanting. Well now I do not think the Spanish disagree, quite the contrary I love it because the Italians were desperate, you went to the tram and face looked when they leave.
Well I'm here to tell you what I want to ask for the Canonization. |
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¿Iggy you there?
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Hello, why does not anyone answer me?   |
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Lestat, Have you gone from the forum or you've changed the name?
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Hi, Ginevere. Please I still need advice, I just responded Marc What do you think others what I left yesterday in a forum? Iggi, as I call your attention to prose what say you?
I hope your help, Thanks |
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| Hola soy Ginevere again, I forgot to say about what the "invitations" that has come, my amogos I also tried to present a most charming priest who said he had spoken to me and really wanted to know, but I refused and gave me a list of sins (something like a guide for confession) to speak with him. You think that was trying pitarme (does say so is that I had not heard before entering this forum). Until tomorrow |
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