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| I you have a little surprised: Reading the forum posts you have the feeling that l @ s of Opus are some more zip ti @ s @ s that rar @ s. I l @ s I know in Euskadi (Basque Country) are pretty standard. Like is a problem of l @ s Spanish / as, every time l @ s understand less, or perhaps a problem of l @ s that you are in the forum that you are not Representativ @ s or l @ s that are inside or de l @ s that are out. Someone explained it to me? because I do not block what you read with what I know in my country and know people who are inside and people outside but he was inside. |
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Ginevere, your "friend" is not behaving like such a true friend not pressed like that, not coerced, a friend informed you of their beliefs without forcing you to believe them. Therefore you should consider that it is friendship which binds you to it, in fact it bother you, you prefer not to see her, and she is only with you for interest.
From my point of view the solution and you know it means by saying he wanted no gross, no need to be gross, but if you say "no" in a clear and forceful. |
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| Marc, you say you believe what we say, but I did not say anything, I just wondered, would I could answer?. |
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Ginevere, what gave you is a list of sins, and that is a unique publication, secret of Opus Dei. It is a guide to the good confession in any church, Catholic library or any kind of catechism teaches it. The list are the 10 commandments.
Stay quiet for a priest to introduce you not going to make whistle, jajaja. There's nothing bad you submit a priest. But you're free to choose and you can tell NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, and you need not feel guilt over. |
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| tanit |
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Hello everyone,
I just read the whole forum. I was in the opus for 22 years as a numerary.
Coercion and lack of freedom were my company during those years. More intensified in times of entry and exit.
My pitaj was the typical, q. you are all going to relate in this forum adolescence.
And the output surrounded by all kinds of threats, including that of a detective.
After reading all, I feel it is fair to state my experience.
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| Marc |
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Tanit pardon but what amuses me intelligence, I know many cases of people who went and although if he can bring some sort of trauma at first, never had any kind of espionage, you can clarify in detail, so it sounds very general and typical of ex opus
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Ginivere Hello,
You ask for advice and do not really know what to say. You're the best person to advise you of yourself since you know the person who suddenly came to you and tell you your life one day. You are who you talk to her, who can look into her eyes and see it work in real life.
Friendship is a mystery. No two alike and is good friends that way. With a few friends may stay just for fun, we'll have more confidence with others, and perhaps we are lucky to have a friend or friend who have the most secret of our soul.
You have to see what kind of friend is that girl, if it is.
I do not judge the honesty or the goodness of their intentions. But you have to think about what reasons may push to act.
Surely she reads and speaks when Jesus tells you things, and surely she thinks Jesus wants her to bring it to work. She speaks of you probably also a person in the play, with its director. And no wonder you think the two best and most effective way to attract you. Surely your friend also offered sacrifices for you. (Of course these are just my assumptions)
She probably thinks you really want and that basically just looking for your earthly and eternal happiness. I guess I will look forward also feel useful in the od and capable of proselytizing, which should always be in the minds of members of the od See? your friend can be a nice guy ...
That I do not know. Life is very complex and friendship is a mystery.
You can read posts in this forum and decide what you think and what is not credible. You have to draw your own conclusions. But remember that the people can at best judged by his actions than his words and in this forum there are only words.
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The messages have moved away from that initiated the discussion topic What strange, no?. The guest shows his amazement at the messages you read. I show my amazement that is capable of surprising, then seeing the message that you write your neurons must be drowning in chacolí.
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What fun that they think are rare, one another as elsewhere has its peculiarity which they call rarity. What if not everyone has something weird, I mean all humans?
It did not seem at all unusual to see so many ordinary people of many cultures and social classes, ages radiating happiness in the canonization.
Sorry if I offend anyone but the few are those who need support to not feel so strange ....¿ not you think? |
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Hello everyone,
Iggy,
The truth is that I do appreciate your comments. I am also an ex-numerary, which was not as much as you but if a little over 3 years. I beep (which is the same as saying I became a numerary) in Mexico, because I'm Mexican, and the truth I leave work because although it seems incredible spirit and good for 98% of people currently leave much to be desired in , and those people eventually make the work even if you do not want.
There are thousands of inconsistencies from such directors or directors who are wearing very well while there are new vocations with holes in the shoe.
Something that hurt me in the extreme is what several of you have commented that it is the instrumentalization of the FRIENDSHIP, that's a FACT. In the talk fraternal circles and all, to captures leads you to candidates who are suitable and if not do not waste your time.
One thing that my hurt is that Escrivá said that according to the 1000 souls was interested in 1000, and as more rotten lie in our days. When I leave work and me a thousand people I know, I came out and well. Well you never call me again to see how was my soul, or to invite me to something, and I think it sometimes when people need it most, so the truth do not understand.
Well, like everything else, there are things like the mortification and others that are hard to understand if there is no supernatural meaning of sackcloth and I the same to me, at last I feel that it was not much, but what if no support instrumentalize was something so sacred as friendship.
Well many greetings to all, and collaborating well.
Un abrazo
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Marukita,
How old are you? I'm surprised your attitude.
I really do not offend, not because I do not think even five weird seeing so many people. But the fact that none of us is saying NI MEDIA LIE.
I still love the work, and I support that there are people there as long as these people this for conviction because then if the fruit is abundant.
One of my best friends is cash and is an impressive example of life, but she is the only one not called me to ask money for the canonization, because  because she is my friend and if not interested, however I offered it.
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| tanit |
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Marc, no wonder you q. do you grace my bitter experience of the detective who put me on for months, you will not believe you or not to believe it will interest not to drop the veil from the eyes. Q. by what I read in your forums interventions, the thin veil you become manta Zamora.
If you want to come down to gritty details of the case, my morbid curiosity is not going.
And so this is just a sample "anecdotal" absolute lack of freedom in the opus.
I have more, my own and many members of my family to remain within the opus.
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Since I started this topic, he had not come. And I am surprised (sorry can not help it) that there has been movement. I apologize a tod @ s for not being attentive and pdoer clarify some of the rpegutnas that I did. I dedecir input Iggy, after reading, it seems quite normal and not unusual. When read as of rar @ so I questioned whether or not you are Representativ @ s I meant that did not match (except Iggy) or with the people of Opus I have known, nor l @ s former Opus that I've known. The people I know are weird or normal without trauma, and diverse in culture, ideologies, interests and ways of being. And I assure Volo is not the result of txakolí, rather then drink little, not the typical exarcebado Spanish nationalism and Basque nationalist version, since I am neither Spanish nor nationalist Basque Nationalist only argue that every one @ is what he pleases to be. But the Spanish are a bit special exarcebado as nationalism and patriotism, the answer lies in the message that tells the shows that seem to give in Rome.
Well I apreço than usual or unusual is what makes Iggy, generally think that Opus l @ s l @ s ex-Opus are good people who do what they can and, as the human tod @ s @ s , occasionally make mistakes.
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Hello guest and the rest of the forum.
Too bad I've had to understand if you think I think "to er world and good" quick translation of what you say that "generally Opus l @ s l @ s ex-Opus are good people who do what they can and , as the human tod @ s @ s, occasionally make mistakes. " Are you copied the lapidary phrase book Petete fat, no?
I started my message saying "Of course there are tremendous people within the OD so I think it is beyond doubt." But I said that all they were-or so it seems.
Thanks for saying that I seem quite normal and not unusual. I am absolutely thrilled. But hey, maybe you're not the Oracle at Delphi, so I'm afraid I still have not got all me and I have to go somewhere where I confirm if I'm normal or not unusual enough.
Now I can not remember all the messages above yours ... and go looking for messages is a bit cumbersome in this forum. So the best thing is it ends. I prefer to say little to say too.
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After reading some posts I get the following conclusion: the opus are blind, they see only a part of the world (let them!). Open your eyes, wake up, see and know, and then News ... but are "rare" and ridiculous ...
The truth, I have a little bit of shame ... poor things!
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