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In the sect Opus Dei militant many characters and little character of the Partido Popular (PP), a political party that brings together the current law in Spain.
Famous examples of PP that are members of the sect (in May 2002):
1. Federico Trillo - Defense
2. Isabel Tocino - former Minister of Environment
3. Loyola de Palacio - former Minister and current European Commission Vice President
I wonder who else are members of Opus Dei, both in the government of Spain and all public bodies, as well as celebrities who belong to the sect. Please, if you have data, add it to this issue.
Oh, and of course he believes. Freedom of opinion is something that Opus denies its followers, but not me. |
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| I know more people. But do not demonize members, but to, if possible, remedy the abuses. Those who spend less, precisely, are the members who dare to think for themselves, and of those, there are still. |
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I do not pretend to be demonized anyone. Simply, I aspire to that where an election, people know who is voting, for example.
Or when you buy a disc, you know where the money's going.
I do not care if someone is of the Falange, the Opus Dei or the CNT, but for example, people who at election time said it was the center ... sorry, but Opus Dei is not a very progressive organization to say, quite the contrary.
Everyone can be the organization you want and have their own ideas, but in my view, public figures must be honest, knowing what should take their time, or what ideas will be inclined to at any given time.
Shrink your right to privacy? Maybe, but they have chosen to be public figures, is part of the game.
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I know of others, but not as important from the political influence ... 'They are not bad, the problem is when you want to "fish" for the Work ... Here it is noted the influence ... In polítca, Leave them, for they will esforazar addition to extremes to work a full and honest !!!!!!!!!! In that there is nothing to say (the problem of the opus is they think everyone has to think and feel like them, and those who do not are wrong and you are jealous)
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I know of many in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile or speak! In Chile Escriva Avenue has a more stretched in the neighborhood of Santiago.
Respect for their participation in politics, the opus is doing politics since birth. In Spain, France, in Latin America and obviously in their most valuable stronghold: the Vatican.
The opus for power and power draws him irresistibly scented either cheap moralizing, to banks, moncloa or prohibition to restrict basic rights such as professional reading of their adherents.
I know a lot of op. Much more than many people know about your organization opusianos.  |
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Invited answer to "anonymous" that states: "Those who spend less, precisely, are the members who dare to think for themselves, and of those, still remain."
After I have lived in the opus number of years and have helped countless people after he left, I noticed three things obvious with respect to members of the opus:
1. People who are in the opus is mostly good people.
2. These are people with extreme fear - terror - to life and is therefore more "comfortable" stay well saved away in a fight to get out of life (as Jesus says in the parable of the talents)
3. There comes a time that things "not close" and "make water" everywhere. That's when every member of Opus decides whether buried his talent (stays in jail Escriva) or come to negotiate outside talent and learns to live life, to grow as a person and be happy.
Ergo: Given the vertical nature of the organization and its culture of guilt and self-flagellation (SIC) is impossible for certain years are past members who "dare to think for themselves."
Or maybe I will say the guest who thinks "for itself" who must ask permission - most often censored - to read books that ask the faculty, or who thinks "for itself" someone who knows her letters family are read by the "directors" before being shipped, so do the letters received, or think for yourself who wants to leave the opus and are forced to stay for fear of Hell, the disciplines that must be hard and how much more strength - more blood, better for the "glory" of God, etc, etc, etc ...
If they stay is because they think for themselves. And do not think it malice, is simply weakness and lack of character. He who thinks for himself, sooner or later will.  |
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I just like Alexandra ... and I feel so identified! Furthermore I also believe that people of Opus is good people (my friends / I still inside), but have "naturalized" discourse, a "naive consciousness" ... But I also believe that if I ever dare to face himself, is going to realize ...  must open their eyes !!!!!!!( same, but tell them if they are not willing is not going to see .. . and going to see me as one that went crazy, who knows nothing, which reads "ramblings", poor thing ... go to "instruct" me not to go to hell)
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Soy el de que "piensan por sí mismos".
First, I would like to apologize to Peter for making this issue through wastelands devise very different than he intended, here are some names of Spanish politics, on the other hand, are known to all:
Juan Cotino, added.
Vicente Martinez Pujalte, cash.
Miguel Plato, super?
Regard at previous answers, maybe I have generalized my knowledge of 1 or 2 people who believed it themselves, and they remained because they had no choice but to continue working. |
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I'm the one who "think for themselves".
First, I would like to apologize to Peter for making this issue through wastelands devise very different than he intended, here are some names of Spanish politics, on the other hand, are known to all:
Juan Cotino, added.
Vicente Martinez Pujalte, cash.
Miguel Plato, super?
Regard at previous answers, maybe I have generalized my knowledge of 1 or 2 people who believed it themselves, and they remained because they had no choice but to continue working. |
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In Argentina, not opus but were "trying" to Bernardo Neustadt and Lita Lazzari (God!).
Opus is the mother of Gabriela Arias Uriburu (which led the children to Jordan) and the parents of one girl who won Super Model 2002 is the opus and angered by the pictures you took his daughter ...
I do not know anything else...
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In Argentina, not opus but were "trying" to Bernardo Neustadt and Lita Lazzari (God!).
Opus is the mother of Gabriela Arias Uriburu (which led the children to Jordan) and the parents of one girl who won Super Model 2002 is the opus and angered by the pictures you took his daughter ...
I do not know anything else...
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| So much so marujeo! we care if some members of the government of Spain or not Opus Dei!. I guess like any other person may or may not be what to them to you! be wanting more ! If you are in Opus Dei are within their rights because no one has Eimport.! Let's see if now everyone has to be an atheist or a communist! This message will speak to Peter, who seems very concerned about showing that cuestión.y Opus I am neither know nor more than hearsay, but I get angry when someone criticizes the membership of others, are of the kind that are |
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| Again Peter and some other gossip that appears here each person belongs or not the Government of Spain is free and is in its full right to belong to the association, organization, or religion that pleases him. "A case also was concerned if members of the cabinet of the previous socialist government was Marxist atheists? marujeo Let's stop and respect the positions cheap around the world not getting into what we do not care. |
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I answer to "marujeo" because they do not have a name we call him quickly.
The people of the sect Opus Dei may belong to the political, economic, social as they please. More missing! What they can do but these Christians have something to hide, it belonged to hide his opus. Why? Because the opus will swear allegiance, loyalty and everlasting economic contribution, for use and abuse of all financial relationships that weave in the "centers" because they like to walk in financial loss making banks and enterprises This, In Nomine Domine .. . The road of ascent to heaven of the opus is as fast as the speedy canonization of type.  |
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To me I do care if a public figure is a member of Opus, because being a member of Opus, "Dear Guest" implies that respond first to the hierarchy of your sect, and not who gave you that power, ie the you have voted.
An example: Suppose that in Spain in 90% of the population is in favor of divorce, but there were no laws at all.
Well, a minister belonging to Opus could not vote for that law, because the idea about the cult is very clear: Marriage is an indissoluble bond, etc, etc ...
I'm not against people who hold public office are of Opus may be the organization that they want.
What I am not prepared to tolerate is that I hide and then kidnap me my rights if, having to choose between serving the citizens or Opus, Opus choice.
It's as simple as that. |
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| Do not understand why there qye airing something so personal and so normal, we are called to holiness from Baptism, and the Opus Dei enjoys absolute freedom, I have attended retreats, circles, conferences, retreats, monthly retirement, I I confessed to priests of Opus Dei, and never has been any meddling in my professional activities and policies. Now if we talk of Abortion seems very well that any Catholic person, and if this in any political activity or position to do what you have to do, whether or not Opus Opus. I understand your concern but I can assure you that I know works for 7 years and never ever have anything of my meddling in politics and professional life. |
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