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In the sect Opus Dei militant many characters and little character of the Partido Popular (PP), a political party that brings together the current law in Spain.
Famous examples of PP that are members of the sect (in May 2002):
1. Federico Trillo - Defense
2. Isabel Tocino - former Minister of Environment
3. Loyola de Palacio - former Minister and current European Commission Vice President
I wonder who else are members of Opus Dei, both in the government of Spain and all public bodies, as well as celebrities who belong to the sect. Please, if you have data, add it to this issue.
Oh, and of course he believes. Freedom of opinion is something that Opus denies its followers, but not me. |
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| Evaristo |
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I do not understand how you can have fun reading lists of people who are in Opus. Roza "this violation of their right to privacy? Imagine if a list is made public and politicians and jerifaltes homosexuals.
He who wants to say, speak, but cataloging staff ... Finally, I do not think.
Another issue: alguine said a couple of messages back
The group held sad and Peirano, had ramifications within Opus, one of its members is cash and is in jail.
He who says that Opus is infiltrated everywhere, that pulls the strings of power around the world, which explains why one of house paints in the slammer. Let me think ... insurance is the cover, the scapegoat that he won the prison not to say...  |
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| iggy |
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Hi Evaristo
questions if we have fun making lists of members of the work. I answer for me, I'm just myself spokesman for "No, no fun and does not my doing them.
The question is: would you mind to publish these lists? |
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Not if you bother, do not bother me. Nor has it bothers me that fifteen thousand TV programs that are dedicated to talk about the intimacies of others. Even for people to sell their privacy. I care only morbid attitude of those who avidly feed of voyeurism useless.
Imagine that we asked to Bernard, who went through the forum a few weeks ago how he was with his date with a numerary. Would it be interesting to open a new debate over whether fucked like crazy?
And made gossip ... "That guy still in jail or been given the third degree to make the annual course?
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Evaristo, stating that I was not interested in such lists. In any case interested me a list of those who have left the work to see if people left the work that has lived with you, people who appreciate, and so on. For example I recently heard that the secretary of my school, I played with the talk now is married with two sons and daughters and tb that a priest with whom I lived it out and now a university professor. This interests me, know what became of the people I have met very closely - and sometimes suffered.
Once, being cash-think naively asked how many members had the Opus Dei, and they replied that "our father said that the Work is a disorganized organization." That was for me to understand that not kept track of things. And also I found out that it was better not to ask certain questions.
As for your comment, you answer yourself. It is not the same intrude into anyone's private life, love life, and so on. simply say that so and so belongs to that organization. I do not think that members of the work to be ashamed of. So not much cisco mountains Evaristo. |
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Evaristo,
as is normal for you, you are making comparisons meaningless (hopefully not intentional) and assertions.
Now, who said that we have fun making lists of people of Opus?, Hopefully to make the Opus and we avoided this job!. Opus compare with homosexuality?, You've been there!.
That attitude is in knowing morbid dependence sectarian politicians?.
What to know if such Bernardo pounded pounded or not it is best to ask him to cure short of Opus (asking in love confession). |
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That is more logical and understandable, Iggy. I'm also interested in hearing from the people who made me study center, or that we agree on a yearlong course ... and some I knew. But jodería me greatly that anywhere nosesabequién publish the name of any friend of mine who is or has been the Opus. No amount cisco, partner (as ripiosa rhyme is a bit ...) the cisco is to open that catalog that both want to Ulysses.
I have not compared the Opus with homosexuality. Are two examples of very personal experiences which are within the scope of the privacy of individuals (and therefore, sacred) could have put another example, but I came to mind Paco Umbral phrase: "my best friends are gays or Opus "Threshold itself is respectful and does not give names.
Bernard Lo, I still imports another pepper
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Evaristo, do not be ridiculous. See if you're going to be right and you were not in Opus Dei, but in the Big Brother house, of which you spoke just entering the forum. Do not tell me you were a timid cash, fop, reckless and cowardly you tried to camouflage in the mass and tremble when you heard the word opus or opusiano. Kid for your information, most of us we had to face many times and indeed, they knew we were trying our membership of the work because it showed us what the directors. Your aggressive you doing apostolate of friendship and confidence and going to the hunt for young leaders, personality, or you do leave prayer cards and leaflets in the pews covertly? I assure you that members of the work (we are the ones who put us in lists - List of San Jose and buddy lists on PDAs - and not us to them), I assure you that they should not care who knows opus that are almost up doing them a favor. Except maybe for those members fearful, cowardly distributed pictures.
And I repeat that to me these lists give me the same. Ah, if published at least to be true and say clearly who is and who's work is simply related but non-member. It is well to mix them all because the end was just misinformed.
Evaristo I know that the play would not like anything having to publish an official list of members in which he clearly say how many are added each year and how many are out. Can you imagine having to do it? Sure it would be a prohibited document for the members themselves.
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| pusey-2 |
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| Not to defend Evaristo, Iggy, which I placed between such cowards that shook when among people in my school talked about the Work or the word opusino. And is that basically did not want to explain about something that ultimately could not understand or speak only on the defensive and no arguments other than the topics that anyone convince. |
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| cabernet |
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| Iggy: not much difference between being in Opus and be in the Big Brother house. You violate your privacy and managers know everything about you... |
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Then I put a page that discusses the relationship of several people close to or belonging to the Spanish government regarding Opus Dei and the Legionaries of Christ (had disappeared but has come back).
http://213.9.246.28/punto/siglo/historico/tp2002/portada%20524.htm |
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