| |
|
Author
|
Opus Dei is a destructive sect because... |
Pedro
|
2 tracks
initiated
17 messages
posted
recent |
| |
|
Published
30 May de 2002 at 17:41:27  
|
Opus Dei is an institution with a thousand faces. Like many others. What about political parties, NGO's, churches, etc ...?
I mean that as an organization is likely to cause positive and negative experiences. I've even found that my state by region (Spain), the organization has members with more freedom of opinion in political, sexual, cultural and apostolate and proselytizing than in others (I may be wrong, but I thought it was well Catalan people, against whom I knew from Valencia or Murcia).
In this sense also seems very high level of the University of Navarra, although I have only had direct contact with the clinic, whose professional treatment seems little overcome.
However, despite all that, the individual experiences of its former members and account for a stifling of internal organizational structures, with implications for freedom of thought and emotion, one-dimensional personalities to behave like robots critical stimuli with pre-installed software, where he sometimes hides the lack of charity affection and respect for the individual (using here the terms in its own right).
However, these experiences can easily be demolished by official responses of "resentment", "personal immaturity," "infidelity," or even "spirit inquistorial or lack of love for freedom," answers that are offered as the interlocutor to that address.
And is that since it is not pedophilia or sexual abuse, are no longer in this society as pornographic by the media almost no attention. Before, when society was concerned with politics, interested only in how far the Opus Dei could interfere in power. Now even that, the immission comprobarseque its not like a political party or pressure group that gives special instructions, general training is enough of its members.
Therefore, it is experiences that are generally similar to any breach of personal (marriage, family, work), trauma to society as a common and difficult to understand planteables judicially, which are perpetuating without rectifying these structures - sectarian? I know it is not a cult in its own right, but is there a sociologist who can tell me another word? - which are rooted in the Work as founding spirit.
(Continue, God willing) 1. Because it enclosing the individual who enters it in increasingly closed circles, and further away, until break all contact with persons of their previous environment, family included. They use brainwashing techniques clear, as the obligatory talk about once a week with your "spiritual director" and confess all your secrets, from the trivial to the most intimate, so that he will be able to "guide".
2. Because there is a clear economic motive behind every action of Opus Dei. To be a good member (the degree that is) you should give the sect's MAXIMUM potential material goods, reaching extremes such aberrant as they charge from your salary and you give yourself sufficient allocation (They act like your parents, make your decisions)
3. Because his vaunted obedience to God in reality can be translated as blind obedience to Opus Dei, and by definition a "democratic" that directs the cult hierarchy.
4. Because their ideology is not of right, but directly fascist in many respects. Women are obviously inferior. Non-Catholics are pagan and / or wrong. The white race is naturally superior at other races. Do not always say all this clearly, but it is clear from his actions. Of course, birth control is a sin even between married by the church.
5. Dedication to the sect Opus is the only important task for the life of a follower. Everything else is ancillary. If you can not attend the funeral of a relative because the sect calls you're working somewhere else, then do not go, and that's it. You do not want to offend God (Opus) of your father and protector, right?
Finally, a boat suddenly occur to me these reasons, but there are certainly many more. I believe that, like other destructive cults, Opus should disappear and act like a bad memory of the past. Moreover, the sooner the better, because unlike most cults, Opus attract much power, and any day elect a pope from "Work"
Please, I would like to continue with the list, or diéseis your opinion.
|
|
| Invitado |
44 tracks
initiated
377 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
31 May de 2002 at 02:45:46
|
Estoy de acuerdo contigo, pero no tengo constancia de que exista racismo.
De otro lado, sí se permite el control de natalidad a través de métodos como el Billings, pero eso es otro tema. |
|
| Invitado |
44 tracks
initiated
377 messages
posted
veteran |
| |
|
Published
31 May de 2002 at 17:23:26
|
Dear Friend:
with respect to the increasingly closed circles, this is nua matter of perspective, given that anyone who enlists in an army, is part of a religious organization, or gets into a convent, it is clear that enters traveling in circles that goes into them. That happens as when a daughter gets into a convent, a son becomes a priest, or a cousin gets Legionnaire.
What the economic motive is a half truth. This makes organiozación any other actions aimed at financial gain, since the only people in the world can do without the money for their activities are angels and pure spirits. Why not be criticized so much that charges a shop steward, which in theory makes it selflessly? the question is which one agrees or not with the purpose to which the money goes. So the question is whether you agree with the purposes of said institution catolizantes or not. The money is a demagoguery that this very view, and is a criticism that can be done at almost any institution.
With regard to obedience, is normal in any hierarchical organization, especially if they are religious. Religious swear allegiance to their superiors, their abbess nuns and bishops to the pope. I do not see so very strange when the Catholic Church as the issue of obedience is so común.SI say why the OD is a cult must say that so are the Carmelites and the episcopal college. With regard to ideology are clearly following the classic stereotypes regarding any Catholic organization. Indeed, that that non-Catholics are wrong and what Jesus Christ said the believes and is baptized not is condemned already, so it is not so strange. Neither the Buddhists say that while they are right, the other also. He who professes a belief, often assume that others are not on the full truth, because otherwise no longer professed no creed. The commitment to Opus Dei is the life of a follower. It seems logical, as the meaning of the life of a Franciscan devotion to his order, and the life of her parish priest and his diocese. It would be logical that the meaning of the life of a Jesuit was dedicating a jog? I think not. It is a truism to what you say. And the life of a Catholic service to the Church and God, right? I feel normal.
Finally, do not know of specific cases on the issue of burial. It is true that if you do not let go by the theme of her father's funeral is abhorrent. But ... whether for work or travel, we should blame the employer or Iberia. Usually someone buried the day after his death, so for a person residing away from the parental home (which should be normal after 30 years, not like now, but anyway) any problem with the communication or transport can be fatal. This is to a member of Opus as of Workers' Commissions or ROttary Club.
Just think a bit, as Descartes says, common sense is the sense that worse is distributed among mankind, and in the words of St. Paul (better for this context): stultorum numerum infinitum est, oséase, there are many idiots in the world. |
|
| Lola2002 |
12 tracks
initiated
179 messages
posted
veteran |
|
|
Published
01 June de 2002 at 18:27:47
|
Do not know if it's a cult, but you'll be forgetting you and start seeing them as natural things that really are not (The examples that you put other things, as you read all correspondence, if you're cash or cash, you can not wear bikinis and the wholehearted also be super close, it encourages lying sunbathing impurity, you can not say something you do not like the opus to a friend without checking with the director, etc, etc)
Those who are in Opus and are happy to be, mind, but which are no longer comfortable, they find it uphill, because the message is that if you're unfaithful to loosen the vocation, and if you go you will not never be happy ....
I'm going, because it hurts to talk about this 
Lola
icq: 172943141
|
|
| Pedro |
2 tracks
initiated
17 messages
posted
recent |
| |
|
Published
03 June de 2002 at 15:57:46
|
Response to "dear friend"
it is appalling that the guest who wrote that message begins with the
header to end insulting. Well, it shows the type of person
that is, all a member of Opus Dei. The technique used is to soap,
treat others as if they were your family, and then convince
subtly that are far above them.
No, I'm not your "dear friend". The friends were not insults, so do please speak properly.
- Track closed circles: people who fall into the trap of Opus, "dear friend" will gradually lose the freedom to deal with people "outside". This is a fact, and not to follow a religious order you have to untie the outside world, much less, stop you. And those who seek to maintain links with people outside, they discover that "is not well regarded" and that his spiritual director stops him consistently.
It is clear that if you ever want to make contact with the world outside the Opus, this practice does not affect you, but I do not mean that.
As for the examples you give: up in the legion you get days off.
- Mobile trade: ask very different demands. And the Opus required, unlike the various Catholic orders. A person who does not give the order all the money it believes it can get it down consistently by her spiritual director, his colleagues and who takes, until
"falls into line." It is the philosophy of "Opus is the father and the followers are the children," only the father seems to have suspiciously few interests other than God ... clear that God is the ruler of the hierarchy opusiana, right?
"We must not confuse" obedience "with" blind obedience ". Of course, if you deposit in an institution must meet certain rules. But from there to make your personality to the decision of the hierarchy make much difference. In any ecclesiastical order, the faithful should follow precepts, but pretend brainwashed to accept without question whatever strikes me as extremely harmful practice to any individual. Shared ideology, yes, but we are not identical. I have not found anything Catholic order that requires that degree of extreme obedience to his faithful, with the possible exception of a cloistered convent.
Blind obedience, despite what you say, this is not usual, but the exception.
"Just think a bit, as Descartes says, common sense is the sense that worse is distributed among mankind, and in the words of St. Paul (better for this context): stultorum numerum infinitum est, oséase, there are many idiots in the world. "
The final argument I loved, so I place it here. Coming to say that those who disagree with what you say they're idiots. I love seeing that Opus Dei continues as usual, appearing pedantic and insulting to those who think "as it should be." Sic transit gloria mundi, "friend" opusiano, I also know Latin quotations.
Guess what? It will cost a lot, but you can leave the sect, if you want. You'll be free as you have not been in a long time, if ever. There is a catch: you'll have to think and decide for yourself. |
|
| Pedro |
2 tracks
initiated
17 messages
posted
recent |
| |
|
Published
03 June de 2002 at 16:09:55
|
Respecto al racismo:
Opus Dei is an extremely classist.
To engage people with its network of elite schools, and sell an image of exclusivity and superiority that makes them pleasing to the eyes of people who want their children to be better than them, which are situated as high as possible (and not is that what all parents aspire?)
All activities of Opus is steeped in that exclusiveness, this feeling of superiority over the opusianos not in a very high degree.
The racism is implicit in it: here in Spain I have heard many terrible things about "the darkies" in the mouths of family members of Opus, with that superiority ceases so irritating.
In fact, even family do not know any of those eight or ten children, so common in the sect, one of whose parents is Asian, African, or an ethnic group different from the more usual here.
It is clear that few people are not all of the sect, but I've never seen a leader of Opus explicitly condemning the racism, classism or whatever you call. And yes I have been preaching incendiary abortion or birth control... |
|
| Lola2002 |
12 tracks
initiated
179 messages
posted
veteran |
|
|
Published
04 June de 2002 at 13:21:27
|
Pedro: I loved him in "may leave the Opus, but you'll have to think for yourself" as it is! I do not understand how the lives of two very different manaeras (inside the Opus, and topdome seemed natural and fantastic, and they should fight harder to be as it should be ... until I let my mind ... First I felt weak , infidel, that my vocation was throwing out the window. It is true that recommended me away from my friends "out" because they were not good example ... Until I left apart from the work of the Center, talk .. . and `pe goal everything seemed so terrible if I was no longer so ... I left the work (it is true that after already decided to not attempt to detain, but neither they told anyone and that were my "sisters" do not call me again, at least not with the insistence of before.
And here I am, happy life and not any misfortune happened to me have gone ... Although "opus" no longer think that "poor girl" is not happy because he threw his calling through the window .. or not? (it was what "I thought" before, when was the other side)
Greetings!
Lola
icq: 172943141
|
|
| alejandra |
8 tracks
initiated
40 messages
posted
common |
| |
|
Published
04 June de 2002 at 21:03:25
|
Congratulations Petrus. It is really so as you describe it. Also the worst of this sect is that of tender lambs and difrazan are ravening wolves.
The fact attract young people, minor, opus propelling them into without the consent of their parents. Worse, telling them that their parents oppose because they are beset by Satan, that's the lowest resource you can use a human person. so is manipulation and brainwashing. but clear: In nomime Domine.
Any Catholic or Christian institution that is erected over freedom of human beings to use as a lining is truly against the message of Jesus.  |
|
| alejandra |
8 tracks
initiated
40 messages
posted
common |
| |
|
Published
04 June de 2002 at 21:15:41
|
Lola: Very fun to hit your statement below: And here I am, happy life and not any misfortune happened to me have gone ... Although "opus" no longer think that "poor girl" is not happy because he threw his calling out the window .. or not? (it was what "I thought" before, when was the other side)
I agree 100% with you. I lived the same, I "tortured" with the same lies and I am happy, one family with wonderful, beautiful work, friends who love me in heart, not what they think or what I have.
That is why I have proposed to participate in forums like this for people who can help is gone and is perhaps suffering from all the lies that they put the sect in his head.
Lola and Petrus Greetings Come on guys, strength and perseverance that the real truth will always triumph (in spite of everything ...) |
|
| Lola2002 |
12 tracks
initiated
179 messages
posted
veteran |
|
|
Published
05 June de 2002 at 15:32:46
|
Alejandra: I happened to like you ... Now (outside) I find that my real friends (that previously had been neglected, because "not understand"), they love me as I am with those who do not have to be careful what I say or quye do not have permission to be with them or organize things ...
How did you find the forum? If you can difundilo, so we are more and between us we can support all this ... I can not talk to almost anyone, because they would not understand, and because it does not want anyone to retaliate ...
A kiss!!!
Lola
icq: 172943141
|
|
| alejandra |
8 tracks
initiated
40 messages
posted
common |
| |
|
Published
05 June de 2002 at 19:53:58
|
Lola:
No issues at retaliation. I think the important thing is not going from one extreme to another. The opinion than you, me and thousands of ex-opus of the sect have not mean we will make a crusade against them. I think that would give too much importance and respond with their own weapons. I really do not matter anymore. It was an experience and step and hopefully will not return. Take the good, the bad and throw out below! The important thing is knowing that the opus is just a micron in the universe of life and love. Its importance is relative and we give our mind we scheduled. There are wonderful Christian authors expanded vision of experience and love, open our doors very wide for the road of life. I refer to Antony de Mello, Carlos Valles and Thomas Merton. You've / n Read??
 |
|
| Lola2002 |
12 tracks
initiated
179 messages
posted
veteran |
|
|
Published
06 June de 2002 at 01:44:26
|
Very good advice !!!!!!!!!
I do not care a crusade against Opus also happy there are people living well (and beyond them). I would like to know if more people have left and as they continued to live his life (because the stories he had heard were negative, all were ruined my life!) And away from God and I am with him ... but not so much " rule "and prescription ... I feel myself and him, no" obligations "in the middle (I am not referring to the precepts of the Church). Although still rings in my ears "if you are sincere and standards cumplís me, I promise heaven."
Lola
icq: 172943141
|
|
| alejandra |
8 tracks
initiated
40 messages
posted
common |
| |
|
Published
06 June de 2002 at 14:48:38
|
It gives me much laughter listening to the rules. He had forgotten the term.
Regarding at things "nefarious" that avalanches that have happened were some who I think must be analyzed by two routes:
1. What they say: That wench went and had cancer, that this or that married and had a son bobo, another stayed wearing my grandmother saints and triplets pario!
All nonsense of fear ... Or is there numeraries / os who died of cancer very young, accident or sudden way, or perhaps the supernumeraries have not had children with disabilities, or severe economic setbacks and had to suffer jail in some cases (for robbers of course), or perhaps the daddies (honest) of many numeraries are not begging for financial help and have to leave their properties because the debts are eating, etc, etc, etc ...
2. What really happened to us and we pass to the protagonist of Liberty:
Personally, everyone I know in Latin America, Spain and uses that were in the opus some time, all lead normal lives, are happy, and have neither more nor less inconvenience than does any mortal flesh and bone this world. Indeed, I know no one so far who has had such a sick child or family has had some misfortune.
Ergo: We must always listen to the two campaigns. What happens is that the fear campaign resonates with more strength and paralyzes us while the Liberty Bell is an achievement of the brave.  |
|
|
There are 1
pages of post: 1 
Close this topic
moderated forum