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Hello everyone, I'm Miranda and I have 15 years. I am new to this forum but despite being quite young, unfortunately a lot about the opus.
I live in an autonomous region of Spain where the contrast between opusiana domination and terrorism is quite remarkable. People dressed in cassock opus on the street and look bad to almost anyone who crosses them in front.
I believe that is an authentic opous legal sect that is beginning to take power in Spanish society. If I had to describe the opus, I would say they are the fans of Christianity. As has been said about religious fanaticism of the Arab countries, the twin towers and all that we're tired of seeing on television, do not understand why we have to criticize them if we have people in Spain do the same, (it is true that opus not commit attacks or kill people), but are fans of Christianity and see their religion as a way to dominate people.
Q I have to wonder against opus if I only have 15 years. Well, the city where I live and what I have to do every day is already a source of hatred. My family is very religious and my parents are not (or will) the opus. It should not hate these people so dedicated to humanitarian and charitable preach the good news of god?
The answer is simple. Here, I have met people my age to their parents because of this sect force them to believe in it and send them to schools where educators with these principles, which I think is illegal, force everyone to think what a priest because God requires it says. 
My boyfriend goes to one of these colleges, but his case is different because his parents sent him there only by the level of the center and not because they believe in the opus or are of the "little work". 10 months ago that we are together and we know quite well, but I could see as he had brainwashed and had instilled as he principles of the sect despite not believe it.
He had taught at women who can not touch us and if it is a sin that God will punish (God does not forgive the sins?) All people opus seems repressed and weak personality to be persuaded by the cult because has no incentive to better their life or because he sees it as a solution to their problems.
My boyfriend is still in that school, and I can count as force him to go to Mass, praying rosaries and has to confess against his will, (All this is included in the law as a crime, because you can not force anyone a believer and less manipulating ideas of a less because my boy is 16).
Another thing that I have seen is the hypocrisy of all the people in my opus.A seems great that a person chooses to be in the play, it being clearly understood that this is only an opinion and I'm not picking on anyone I But I myself have seen how people's opus have been friends of mine and helped me with my problems just for the purpose of "capturing" and that when they saw that they could not have passed me and pretend that I know of anything when I find them on the street. Their great friendship is just for interest.
I think the people of the work just look for their own benefit and the leaders of it what they want is to live at the expense of all their "faithful pringadillos" following the play as if they were living in it. Christian charity, helping others, tolerance and all those values that is spoken in the Bible and that Jesus taught in his day, stay low to the selfishness and the desire of power once you get in the opus . make it very clear that my all opusianos / as they are nothing but a "modern inquisition" whose only desire is to dominate the village and live a rich four counts of patsies who follow the teachings of their superiors have 10 and 20 children to which they can not keep.
Finally, (but not in last place), I would like to thank all that you make this forum possible for letting express ourselves freely without censoring anything, and for giving us this freedom to which all are entitled. I wish someone would give me his opinion writing me at Miranda Thank you all for your interest in my opinion.
Besazos, Bye
Miranda 
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Welcome Miranda!!!!!!!!!!!
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Appreciated Miranda: You are very mature for your age, you know? you're absolutely right that a few rich people are living on account of race and have not come there only to serve and no opportunity for advancement. When I was in, (there have already for many years) and had no education, I became his servant, to call you ladies and the table and serve them with black uniform, white apron and cap, and had no Social Security, nor do I paid a dime, when I left because I went with and without a dog.
Let me tell you a story:
One day we took a walk, came a person with a piggy bank of Red Cross and Caritas, I remember, and miss, not even a hard cast, then told us that we were poor as not to do charity, monetary with other poor people or anyone else.
Try to completely disengage your boyfriend.
Kisses, Zape 37
 
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    ...and if your boyfriend is not the opus and is not intended to be ... but get along with people at a youth club of the Work?
He says that his ideology is considered positive contributions .. because all members are characterized by their infinite optimism and love of work. His mom if militant of the Prelature.
He knows that I do not want to do with the od, even ninugna'm faithful devotee of religion: if anything it showed me was not to worship saints and temples .. but you understand the basics of ethics and morality: a live with others. It goes beyond that. |
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Hi Miranda!
Your message is EXCELLENT! everything you say is EXACTLY WHAT I THINK! (and also know and knew your age a bloody cult that will have a SANTO! JAJAJAJAJA! not believe them that this was not a saint!)
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If you believe it, and I always idolized here ... OUR FATHER, OUR FATHER there ... always sounded odd, I could not say so ...
Also do not recognize their shortcomings and draw their faults and mistakes, cover up with good stories ... and ... let them ...
Up now is holy ... (My God, you are criticizing him wrong  )
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| The only God is perfect, nor the saints are entirely perfect. The canonization of Josemaria Escriva is a great act of justice. We all have flaws but that's the point of asking forgiveness, and change each |
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Marc, I would like you to tell me exactly how it works, let's see, God is the head that is perfect, not I, and the saints are the chieftains who are allowed some flaws, it does.
When can you explain me better.
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Marc:
How easy it is for you: "We recognize sinners come to the Lord with humility and contrition and start the day again as if nothing had happened ... No Marc, you must also request a public apology, that you think that Archbishop Storni .. . repent and you're done! that simple is for you 'I think you have to think a little more logic and reason Marc-fe -
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Hola Miranda,
I understood your message, but I think you should remember that no trial can be extended to generalize to all members of Opus Dei as you have done on several occasions. It deserves the same trial who acts freely than one acting uninformed or coerced (and this applies in general).
Remember there are a variety of members. From top executives, even the newcomers (in my time - I do not know if they continue to now, some people talked to enter the opus just met the day fourteen and a half since it was the legal minimum), intellectual , housewives, university, etc ... You can not judge them all equally.
Not everyone is going with his cassock in the street. I had no cassock when he was cash. The cassocks use only the priests. Have you ever seen women of Opus cassock in the street? Of course not, I know. But it's what you say in your post "people dressed in cassock opus on the street" and then you can be misleading.
Nor is it true that as you say "all opusianos are not only a modern inquisition, etc. ...".
Some members are taken in haste, without letting them think enough (this was my case, I'll tell you here one of these days), they were convinced that they have a divine vocation, then barely a few of them manage to escape. This was my case. Do not speak here of all my suffering. See? Each person has their story.
Certainly you give evidence of intellectual maturity, but hey, without these trials generalizing like you and understand your message would have more credibility.
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| I would like some expert / to hear your answer to a question, at what age can become part of Opus as cash / or added to / a? And I mean the age at which you write the famous letter to the Prelate, because I understand that there is a legal age to belong to the Prelature, but in reality paraece is not satisfied, and pita before age and remains hidden from the parents for not knowing? |
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As I remember (what was happening about 12 aa.) Age for whistle was 16 or 16 and a half, but at 14 one could write a letter to the prelate and stay as ... " I do not remember ": Who helps me?
Before the adoption as a personal prelature, age of whistle without further were the 14 aa. and a half, but many bishops put as a condition of approval that it be raised to prelature the age limit, and they by-passed the problem of how to account. What must be stressed about this argument is that, notwithstanding any words you always say that everyone can get out whenever you want, all the training is geared to that from the first moment you write the letter, you have a eternal vocation, and that every thought you have against this vocation is a temptation, and if they are cultivating for more than a few seconds, a sin against perseverance. This prevents you think about it well and leave to discern (they say in Castilian? Forgiveness for my mistakes!) If you really have a vocation or not. And that also explains why so many people take long to realize that this is not your place. So condivido the trial of "immoral" than Iggy expresses elsewhere. 
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hola Akilina!
in response to your request: those who write the letter to the 14.5 they are called CANDIDATES.
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Hola a todos:
First of all I wanted to thank you for your interest in my opinion.
I would like to clarify that my boyfriend has not been forced to join the opus at any time, simply trying to "eat the pot" so that in the future becomes the "work".
Luckily not be convinced, if not ...
Thank you all, you are the best
Besazos  
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Hello again,
Miranda, you say your boyfriend has not been forced to join the od
The word "forced" is very strong and I doubt anyone has really blown out of obligation.
But one thing is "being forced" and a "feel obliged" not exactly the same. "Being forced" perhaps has to do with physical coercion blackmail. "Feeling obligated" may have more to do with the sense of duty, moral or emotional coercion. Trying to say that this feeling can be very handy when a person is a minor and has not had enough experiences in life. And I think that Opus Dei would have to make an effort so that they were not hands or eyes, with young men. Yes, I know, are easy prey and very tasty, in the sense that-for many reasons, can be very useful for the work. But they should be especially self-critical and honest at the time to sit down with a boy or a young girl, a minor. Less overall review and make expense account, and further examination of conscience about these issues far more important, because it is the life and soul of a young creature, which have in their hands. And although the director of a center or say that a young priest suggests ways and that is destined ... God does not send faxes with your signature, no phone directly with the directors, etc.. so they have no right to interpret the divine will. And even if so, should also be scrupulously respected the freedom of a person, because God also respects it, and who gave it to us.
A young boy is more easily coercion is clear. Well, gentlemen directors o.d. : More moderation, more calm, more scruples in dealing with the issue of vocation with a teenager!.
But .... Why do I have the feeling that just takes less scrupulous, less calm and is sometimes done anything to get it?
It's clear: the young are too tempting fruits, if allowed to ripen too long, maybe start thinking like adults, may have the opportunity to love, to make money ... and clear, then ... piten perhaps only those who truly have a vocation.
Iggy
as to what he said Aquilina, it is true that when I was competing with 14 years, told me that my legal incorporation to od coming few years later (I can not remember well). But it was a formality. What mattered was the pitaj, the first yes, that is a kind of "conversion" of delivery of the heart, that "saying yes, leave nets and follow Jesus-as the apostles." I know this is hard to understand for those who do not truly lived. But those who have lived perfectly understand me.
Newcomers also experience all the "rites" by which it becomes part of another family, another community (perhaps just a small detail, its ritual is very important: to say pax, pray the prayers, knowing secrets that do not know which have not blown yet (to get rooms at the Fellows for example, etc), and many more. Your relationship with many people change instantly, because now you as a brother. So suddenly you can find your math teacher school, or the Director of cole, and feel a kind of complicity and ... tell pax (or me to tell him) Anyway ... all this can have an important psychological effect, and does not make it all easy rethink things the next day or next week, or years later. It is a "conversion" and then you can not turn back. At the least, terribly disappoint all those who already have congratulated you and consider you a brother. But the real sense to imagine that you abandon the vocation, the work, is an indescribable feeling. Too strong and intimate as to explain with words. |
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