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Taking up the initiative on this issue, I have my experiences as a numerary in Argentina.
He belonged to the work "of God" (?), From 15 years to 23 years. As you can imagine I have known and experienced every situation. The first was to enter the hidden group my parents and told that if the opus prevented me thus: "They - they were advised by the devil - I do not understand and I would stay off the roads" of God ".
It was something I was curious but the adolescent desire to change the world and save souls, auqella rarity made me forget for a while. Then I get another rare curiosity: the obligation to use the element of daily physical torture as were the medieval Cicilia and disciplines. Yes, it was already shockingly funny but I was told "do not panic, this has made all the saints and especially our founder, but he was very strong in the buttocks and tail with nails and razor blades." Ohhhh, I thought, how fortunate that I only have to beat me with leather strips knotted ...
And so hundreds of folly and continued repression pisicologicas, all accompanied by a "God chose you for the work, he wants you to do all these mandates." Go God odd, I thought. First he draws smiles, short works of theater, choirs and volleyball tournaments and then I crushed his head and soul until I die.
Amid these thoughts and pressures, time passed and I looked like several numeraries large (over 50) might be seen depressed, alone, weeping and staring.
I accompanied by at least 6 numeraries older nursing homes where they kept when they became uncomfortable and at psychiatric clinics where dopaban. I have also lived at least up to 15 young numerary who for various reasons vivian sad, haggard and weeping in corners always grumpy.
This is not counting the time they disappeared for weeks when they were interned in psychiatric clinics of Dr. Inns, Marincola, places to visit in person to bring them rosaries and enforcement. Now it has its own hospital, Hospital Austral and there you can dope, psychological pressure and abuse hundreds of cash / os who have symptoms of depression (liberation?).
The funny thing is the opus never accepted that the depression that comes to their numeraries / is a sign that you do NOT have a "vocation" urgent and must leave there. The opus think these symptoms are "lack of vocation and fidelity," think it's laziness not resisted and finally when the person is about to take his life and this made a mess, they send it as a wedding package back to blood family.
I remember one night in a center where we lived about 15 numeraries, one of approximately 28 years, ran to the screams in the corridors and we wake up the rest. Amid the uproar numararia one large (approx 50 years) wonder aloud: is going to shoot?
On another occasion: another numerary about 45 years started to disappear at night until one day did not reappear. Then I found out that the opus was gone because he could not bear the thought that his age would be like that of other large numeraries: sad, grumpy, judgmental and resentful of life.
Finally, some anecdotes that my hair stood on end and that the frequency and rarity made me escape prison opus. And being now grown up, I was not intimidated nor heaven nor hell, nor the glory or the tariciones, neither elected nor convicted. Blessed be God, save me from this hell on earth.
Pax In Aeternum all people of Good Will.
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Lucy and I acobardarte veres in this forum I am the defender of Opus, but not so, your testimony is so strong and I regret peroooo bad experience ....
I know of some Southern Clinic, and I have seen nothing of what you say on dope intern and hundreds of cash, you could specify this in more detail and information, because I know and it's like to be serious is that the Southern numeraries psychiatrist and cash
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Hello marc:
If you know of so close the clinic and you have not seen anything I could have two reasons:
1. You work there and thus think you know them but you are not the opus and thus were never find out about the inner workings of the sect.
2. You opus, know well what I say and these lying.
Whatever your reality, or am I to judge you. You'll know in your heart if you lie or not.
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09 November de 2002 at 04:57:10
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If you read some other forums as I am temporary that has nothing to do.
I know the clinic, it does not work but frequently visited by professional matters.
I like your direct style, as I also am going to say something, I have seen hundreds of Fellows / Fellows I interned in the clinic, and that if I think it's a lie. You know how you did not ask to have details and overall response and ball balloon up. Give details
And forgive carino but Opus Dei is a cult, you have your left, that you've had a bad experience that does not mean it is a cult.
Sincerely for this to be positive in the forum and not more than anything, I answer and your answer to me, I ask you to rinse well as the Southern Hospital in detail cast helps, thanks |
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Lucy Thanks for your feedback, confirming similar experiences I've experienced or read in this forum:
1) They attract the youth with "smiles, short works of theater, vocals, etc".
2) Then, although minor, and without the consent or knowledge of their parents, the fortune-teller on duty tells you to have a vocation of cash / aggregate / auxiliary or temporary, and "toot". (As a minor, this is illegal, and Evaristo, but Opus is probably disagree).
3) After the ordeal and empienza brainwashing (sackcloth, disciplines, or a free minute, confessions to the principal, permission for everything, "Father, worship leader, etc.) and economic exploitation.
4) Over the years, if your body rebels, comes the depression and emptiness.
5) If you go, kick you off or you die, nothing has happened here, and nobody knows you exist. That wonderful family, father, aunt, grandmother and so many brothers and sisters, gone. And you become a resentful or cops. And if you tell, are a liar and even threats (I do not acobardarte). But that chance, that match the stories. In contrast, the contaminated deny everything. That is an oasis of peace and happiness.
Then comes Marc, with its very high level, and says that Opus is not a cult. Well friend Marc, metaphorically, has all the stats of a destructive cult (saint included).
A greeting
Alvaro.
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hello all,
first wanted to tell Lucy that I understand what you say and firmly believe it. l @ s numerari @ s largest (at 50 and are considerably older, with that life ... no wonder ...) are quite hurt, I specifically give me much grief ...
confirm that the opus is a prison, for me it was, but swear that it is easier to escape from a conventional prison opus. for if they believe that "serve" not let you escape. but always say: "the output is free" (ha! one of the many lies they say and what's worse is that they are created ... For someone to say that they are not handled !...)
as said Alvaro (also endorse everything he says) it is illegal to make us whistle when they were minors. I love to denounce them for having eaten the coconut having 14 years (I think at this point the opus dei code skips the bullfighter canon). not rule out an option that is denounced as an institution for providing me with a hair shirt to "make me sant @", by manipulated, controlled psychologically and physically, and especially the aggressive proselytizing by performing with minors and the deception that made inadvertently.
the mind is also important! not only physical. in my opinion what is done in the opus to obtain and maintain vocations is comparable to a violation. what is a physical violation, denounced and condemned. but the psychological damage can not be proved tacitly ...
When temporary, marc, I ask you to stop and say in every forum that is a lie that former members say. and if it is not believed that Opus Dei is sectarian, one must seek the characteristics of a cult and compare them with the modus operandi of the opus. match is easy to see how ... rather, it would be a topic for open forum ... already open.
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Dear Lucy, I went around chewing my wounds for having wasted the best four years of my life and I found this forum Hallelujah! More people like me! I am not alone!
And despite pot, the famous Marc and another who want to silence us to believe that we are wrong!, Wrong us and not them! Although they say that this forum is great. Great because we can exchange and translate our mutual and horrible experiences, and coming to the aid of who visited these pages looking for the truth.
I have many things to say but today I simply want to thank you, Lucy, for daring to be so truthful.
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Dear Marc, when Lucy said that the clinic treating hundreds of southern Fellows / as, is primarily a way of speaking (not few hundred will be in Argentina, but not many) and secondly it does not say who are the time. So even though you know the Southern Clinic, would not be surprising that one had admitted to the psychiatric and I guess others will be in cardiology or digestive (the same as in the Clinic of Navarra), and on your next visit will be others and the final over time may have spent hundreds as Lucy says. It is because bounce back and focus more on what is said that as they say.
Lucy, honey, in Spain and went out of fashion asereje, fortunately, and today just sing it the most tacky and ignorant of the place (which does not mean you to be one! Of course!, But in Spain gives very bad impression ). I see you came hard on the Forum, and we know you will gradually, we are all good people, a more exalted and more patients, enfin as life itself.
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I answer by parts:
Poppy, I'm glad that you do well participate in this forum. You sound a sincere person and some injuries that soon passed. I take that as something that amuses me, write my experiences and experiences and read those of others. It's very interesting to see how writing can reveal the opening or narrow-mindedness of people. Tooodos afraid to tell you things that have happened to me and I have spent in my life post Opus have been very nice and exciting and I can not compare with the Forum.
Volo: The impetus sacred in my heart, I bring it from the cradle to the grave as cultivars (one of my talents).
Also the cradle is that all people who live in this world are good people, including "the most tacky and ignorant of any place."
I tell you, baby, that in Argentina this song is fashionable, even among uneducated people, and the way I love going to the fashion still singing...Asereje da de je....  |
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Dear Lucy, I enjoy a lot your way of attack and defense against the three "musketeers" and I will try to reciprocate tear a laugh telling you a joke:
It turns out that St. Peter had to go on holiday so I put in the Gate of Heaven an angel to take his place.
- How will this, "asked to see who can come in and who is not?
"Very easy," said St. Peter, take this Bible and this wad of money and each person you ask him which of the two preferred. If they choose the money, send them straight to hell.
When Peter was preparing his luggage was scared the angel.
"Peter, do not know what happened, but suddenly I'm out of money without having sent anyone to hell.
- How was that? asked for the keys of Heaven.
"Well, you got one that asked me the Bible but, being very devout, has made flipping through it and he said:" Angel would you be so kind to give me a little card to bring this chapter? "As I had nothing else I gave him a five hundred euro note, but just give it, ask me again marked another for another section of the book, and so on until I left without one euro.
- Damn, angel, "said St. Peter, you've been cast as another of Opus!
If you knew what I have refreshed his memory, and if not, I will have made you laugh.
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Amapola:
Super Well the joke!! Did not know. I appreciate the salt and pepper to dress the poor welcome that I had from the opus in this forum. How else bothers to listen to the bell! Show how jittery the experiences of people within the opus!
To match your friendly detail, I'll tell you another joke:
He dies a little old lady who had committed some peccadilloes "brothers" in their life (those that anathematize the opus ...) and get to heaven St. Peter's greeted with a big smile and a fatherly hug. Then he says: Come il take you to the place of heaven where you belong.
- And what is this place? asked the old woman.
- Is that what you always dreamed it would be your heaven. You dreamed of living forever on a deserted beach and there we go, your eternidada on a deserted beach!
They started walking and going through other people's heaven. In one of rock music did he hear in other card games, another good swim in a pool, etc. (each according to what he had dreamed all his life that would be heaven).
Suddenly, they pass through a hallway behind the old woman heard a door many voices in unison saying, "Thank you, Lord," And who asked and here is San Pedro??
Ah! Here are the opus that think they are the ones who are saved ....
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VERY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The "very good" was the joke of Lucy, as it depicts what is believed opus ....
(which explains why the page just changed the message and was re-hook)
Kisses!
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| Hello, friends. They call me Berto, the friend of children. I have reached over two hours and only see my messages. Much forum and lots of freedom but then no one writes. I'm bored. Or maybe is that I write too. I do not know. Do not take to yourself so badly. Is that I came so hard that sometimes I think this is like a chat. And it looks like a meditation. I once knew a priest who was a lead. He was short. A real drag. And another also bored at bolting sheep. I think I'm going to change the subject. On the issue of medicines do not know what to say because I saw nothing of this. The life of my heart in that regard was very monotonous. As the two priests. Well, if you know better, but put in a Evacuol Annual Course in bleeding. Do not you see what queues at night facing the toilet. The next day the director scolded us severely. I do not think these drugs was the speaker. Well, that and see if you decide to talk. Bye. |
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Beryto ... why you calling itself the friend of children?
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