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We talked about colleges and youth clubs work "cultural" (or whatever you call)-to guys or girls of 13 or 14 and older-
But I think we have not spoken to other clubs for younger children where there are many types of sports, arts, crafts, etc.. but deep down these clubs are like the hotbed of young vocations. Of the colleges guess work out most of the vocations young-underage-but the work is also interested in young kids from other schools and clubs are a way to "hunt".
Surely in this forum there are many people who can explain the operation of these clubs much better than me (though I spent a year living in a facility that was dedicated to this work with younger children)
Many of us we have not gone through one of these clubs ... |
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Nick writes as if desconocieramos Opus Dei. It seems he does not know that here, almost all have been in Opus Dei. some even directors and all. Intellectual nivelón ...
A Antonio Ruiz Retegui personally met him before and after being ordained priest. I was a kid with drive and sincerity, smart and sharp, very entrepreneurial and sympathetically feote, tall and lanky.
I deeply regret that finished well, but I know that is not the only case of priests to be faithful to his ministry, the priesthood of the Catholic Church before a group, to be faithful to his conscience, for putting the charity to the regulations, have been marginalized in the dark work. It is not uncommon to find priests and older, hidden and ignored. In Opus Dei, if you ask, you say things like "tired", "has a serious disease" ... and then if you know them you realize that this was not. Tend to be very understanding, of the highest intellectual level, imprisoned in an institution in which they find it very difficult to get out. I personally know cases of priests due to intense stress to have ended before them sick in the head.
Rest in Peace, friend Antonio.
Nick: do not mullers to answer, and tell myself that all this is false, I have no iota of supernatural and I'm a crude, a crude and a border. Hala |
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MESSAGE TO ALL Forero: all the forums we are filling with people coming to boycott. Clearly they are members or sympathizers of Opus Dei. They note the uncritical repetition of slogans, come or not to tell, and the lack of capacity for dialogue. Do you realize how easily it spread disqualifications?
Do not make them propose that IF or respond.
THE MODERATOR: Please, moderates. Delete the messages from this rabble. I do not mean those who disagree, even those who extol the Opus Dei. Deletes the boycotters, to insult, to the irrational, the childlike and uncompromising. If not, you'll be left without a forum, I have stolen the Opus. And what will happy in the circle next get-together. |
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| I've been a teacher and a club subcommittee for many years. the kids and I've had a bomb. Upon arrival in the preceptor took my former secretary (I recently came out from the center of Estádio) and said that what mattered er human training and then sobrenaural. those years spent by the club and became partners (the club does Opus Dei) many kids in the city. Then change the director, changed the teachers began to take numbers and forecasts, to pressure the kids, I could not agunte, pedi leave the center and went in more then the lack of criteria with the greatest era of chit (that will another topic), that ultimately a ciro er absurd and I left the Obrs. I recently found a group of kids in those, many booed and went well, (related professionals today are good, some colleagues) I had my haberles the sting of coercion, but was deceived Habeler in good faith. None blame me anything, but I remain intranqulidad awareness of having gone to see what happened and not doing more against, although I said that attempts were in vain and letters of protest to the delegation ended with my dismissal and after my departure. More than half of us no longer preseptores of the work, others have ordained priests, so I think we could have done much good and maybe we have done much damage. |
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Welcome Guest.
It's very interesting your experience and your testimony that you work within the procedures rethink the institution and even tried to delegation patterns change. That is a great merit.
Why not something more that process accounts of protest. And why did not crystallize.
I'm very repetitive but I recommend you read the document in cash opusdeilibros.com Ruiz Retegui priest, as also tried to change things from within but without success. |
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Pusey-2 No, I can not have many details, I fear me caught. My life now is very quiet and perhaps a coward, but I do not want the house full of the living forces of the locality which are of Opus and that I have not forgiven me out of here. As well, we're neighbors, I salute you, they greet me and we favor. Naturally the kids club has come to nothing. In a small site can not burn people. I have always believed that doing the right things can get vocations attracted by the good atmosphere there. But when pressed and eventually coerces worse, since it is discovered there is a tremendous roll to achieve results. I read that Don Anotonio and has given me much grief. Met him at a retreat and it was an unbelievable, I left the work before him, I am sorry for not being able to speak with my concerns. With the priests to talk about my problems because of the contradiction, the Answers to everything was always "pray more". There is only one priest who was he talking about this qien be honest with me, a priest is exceptional, very comprehensive and attractive and it hurt him now that the treatment was imposed from above, often with absurd measures, was giving many people ruin he wanted. A few years ago I've lost track. A friend (not the play) told me he had gone to a women's retreat and it was this priest, upon hearing we were from mims people and ask about my profession and gave me memories (Note that freedom of mind when I male and exnumerario). I think it is those who are suffering but can not do anything. Well excuse me for hook up with my memories, but I think if in the Obrs they could talk about these things, the work would have greatly changed for the better. Will explain that I never can say they are "things mine," that "he will know more if the Directors or your" when there are other much more qualified than I (of many snos sacrdotes of faithful labor as D. Anónio or this friend of mine) who have similar concerns. Well Enough pardon by the roll.  |
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09 February de 2003 at 19:59:03
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Thank you for your consideration.
I'm afraid that Mr Antonio died in 2000, before dealing with your letter of resignation. Did not know him, but from what I hear all this it would have to initiate a process of beatification. At least we remember to pray for him.
A greeting.
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| Anybody know where I can see a picture of Mr. Antonio Ruiz Retegui? I want to leave questions and know if I ever was with him or met him somewhere. Thank you. |
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