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I like to play a key theme in the story of a member of Opus Dei, leaving the organization.
This is a subject much discussed and debated. As much as the way to capture and secret coercive minors.
Lo hare from what I experienced personally and made him live many women numerary of Opus (men may tell their story, although not think there are many differences)
When a numerary already has around 5 or 6 years in the opus (some saw him two months after joining) begins to realize that things are not as predicted. Deep cracks appear between the ideals with one income and the reality that you are living in a center of Opus: the manipulation of people, their feelings, their family relationships, work and university, the economic tug of war, ideological, etc..
That is when that person raises the possibility of making a life outside the organization. But as a person is obedient and "brutally honest" will talk with the director of its Center and expresses his thoughts. She tells him that is nonsense, that is most pious, who lives in the presence of God and not to accommodate these thoughts are not God's thoughts are diabolical. But the person who already has intuited that the opus will not be happy or will be possible in any respect, insists the issue next week. She will repeat the same thing again and usually add. If you go, "strips the calling out the window" and that's what he said the founder of Opus Dei, if someone is in the play is because God has called from all eternity to live there and would have to be very little to say no to that God.
Well, I could elaborate story to tell here in the Founder of "traitors" who have left and threw his vocation, etc., but do not want to lose the thread of the topic.
Then the numerary him how much his thoughts to the priest whom he confesses. The priest says exactly what he said and appealed to the director for his proactive approach, saying: "We need you to be faithful and loyal, so few numeraries holy - I repeatedly told me when I confessed at The Citadel - and you can be. Come on, put aside these thoughts do not be stupid and cowardly. "
One out thinking that can not fail and must be holy. But the next day is discouraged because it does not want to over there and do not care if it's holy, blessed or just a human being. All he wants is to be free and live his own life. That God gave us.
The comings and goings between the Director and the priest come and go, the Delegation involved and perhaps the counselors. This whole process has significant ups and downs and can last a year or more.
The institutional pressure deepens, the numeraire has accumulated so much pressure and fear that is about to explode of guilt, fear and courage at a time.
And it encourages and gives the step and then another step and so it goes, fled without looking back. Without listening to anybody but the opus. And reencontarse starts with the person he always was, with talent that always had, with the God who always love her and start being happy, so happy out of the opus. And in time you experience some laughter when he sees that those same people who wanted to retain, over time and disillusioned, also left.
DEO OMNIS GLORIA !!!!
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Hola tanit,
"Luckily I q. not everything is black or all white. Tb. There is a gray and shades of red or green ... Life is very rich in shades and you can not go around banging with machete .
Answer: concordo with your ideas! Luckily! But why did you use a machete with me?
"The opus do believe that God etc."
Answer: I do not think: they have no own ethical status, but the same church.
"And you pepe? You think God?'re One of them? Think before answering."
Answer: No, I do not believe God! of course! and luckily! and you?
to you, I advise you think before you write about ethical status Proprio: you have a great responsibility. still do as you like ... |
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alvaro:
"Culled from a sentence of Tanith (" Go build your own code of ethics "), the Pepe opusino asked" Are you God? "."
Answer: because I wear a slogan ... (or will label? ... ... opusino
"Pepe," only God can build an ethical code?. If so, that God? Yours?. "
Answer: a) yes b) God, nothing more. I monotheist ... and you?
"In the world there are millions of gods, all respectable. In his book" The oldest religion ", J. Botero writes that only in India worship 330 million gods and each has its own ethical code."
Answer: Do as you like. if you want, worship Buddha, God (no more), golden calf, Baal, J. Botero and others, including yourself, are you like.
"All of these ethical codes have been written by men, that if all of them saying they were messengers, prophets or enlightened one God and he wrote to his dictation."
Answer: and Jesus Christ? not God, one man? (you think you like ... of course and luckily)
"Greetings from Málaga (Spain)"
Answer: a greeting from Malagana (Ex-diaper)
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Hello everyone!
I think if it is difficult to walk around here since ...
some of the resentment
others: being unable to deprogram
Others: by the desire to keep in touch with the Work ...
Finally, I think if it is difficult
Bye
Ex-agd
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Regarding the idea of creating a meeting place and help:
I feel very good idea, but tell you my experience, is at first to go when needed care in a place. Then, as time heals everything, or almost rather you feel like cutting all the above and, to me personally, there came a time when he preferred not to have contact with those inside and those who were already outside.
The reason was quite selfish, but I was already strong enough to hear again the difficulties of my former "brothers" wanted to meet new people. Furthermore, some of them had increased the output a difficult temperament and tried to cut him: I too was going very well mentally at that time.
Well, if it constituted one, welcome it and even contribute what I could, but I think it should be opened to more "ex" of new movimentos Catholics kikos, soldiers of Christ, etc., which I have also gone very wrong.
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Hello everyone I'm Tank, I do not know because I have been borrado.He few days off and I was not looking out for here.
I follow with attention the echo q. proposal. has raised my case as my Pusey2 me. I have a special interest in further with issues concerning the opus, but the fact of having had that uptake by the opus, makes me want to help those salen.Y especially as it is emerging, q. worse is when it happens.
Pepe,
say q. opus does not have its own code of ethics. Well, okay, tell me your my, as you call at following rules imposed by the ethical code opus:
A numerary reading a banned book, q. looks at a man on the street, q. confesses to a priest q. not opus, q. confesses without a priest's confessional opus, q. used tampax (this seems to me he was authorized in 1990 q.), q. lie down to sunbathe by the pool, q. adfectuosa have a demonstration with other cash, etc etc etc.
A numerary q. any breach of their endless rules, is committing a serious act against God.
And for any Christian up above you would laugh.
It has its own code opus?
Saludos
Tanit
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How ridiculous!! Son of the Middle Ages!! (excuse the Middle Ages) |
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