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Where is it? this year?  |
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| Lola2002 |
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En October, creo que el 6 o por ahí...Irá mucha gente?
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| Pedro |
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That someone as rabidly conservative, fascist, classist and with a pride so overwhelming, founder of an order as sectarian as the Opus Dei, to be beatified and sanctified without trial have not passed even 100 years after his death I feel contempt for other saints, how much power you have your order.
Anyway, as you can buy everything ... |
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| alejandra |
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04 June de 2002 at 21:26:54
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Buy anything but wisdom.
Buy anything but Love
Buy everything you can buy with money, titles, charges, with real estate deeds, to lobby, with influences, with dogmas and human laws.
Buy all those things at that man puts a price.
Ergo, thinking that everything they buy, not buy anything.
Here's the irony of life for the "powerful" of this land ...  |
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that's what ignorant soys ignoramuses enterare before speaking.  |
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| alejandra |
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15 June de 2002 at 04:04:28
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Dear Guest:
For your aggressive response does not doubt that you belong to the sect Opus Dei.
How often do usually devoted to disqualify at people instead of arguments suggest.
I have little ignorant, we can talk about whatever you want, I will not evade, much less assault you.
And that John XXIII bless you brother
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15 June de 2002 at 23:34:18
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Why ignorant? We also speak of what we know, because most of us were the Opus for a long time ...
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| Pedro |
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Insulting instead of giving arguments seems to me very sad. Not knowing something is being ignorant.
I know who was Escriva de Balaguer, was an individual, for example, which supported the entry of Spain in the Second World War to help the Nazis, among many other things.
Do you really know the Opus Dei, or just blindly believe what they tell you, my guest?
If you really think deserves to be beatified Escriva and canonised, explain why not insult us.
My advice: open your eyes, learn and think for yourself. Do not let them do it for you. |
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Estimated Pedro Mira
I will not insult or attack, because in my home parish and taught me not to.
I do not know where you take all these lies about what you say.
If you've ever had a problem with them cuentame.
I go every Saturday for training talks of them here in Asuncion, Paraguay and helped me a lot in the formation of boys and girls of catechesis confirmation.
That the Nazis and all that is pure lies.
I would love you to tell me who told you, not the name, because obviously not get to know, but that relationship was with the Work?
It's a great pity that we speak of Opus Dei, is very nice, and I'm not stupid people, is where I go and what I do, but I do not know what drives them to write all this not imagine that has been damaged. If you want to respond to my email is agreguenme mend13@hotmail.com and if they have the Messenger, I remind you, are not stupid, find out things before you speak and see from both sides and then remove conclusions, I did, and I had problems with them. Thanks  |
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Friends invited:
I am glad that someone who is currently participating in the training facilities dares to write in the forum.
I can tell I've been more than 5 years of work as Attaché and truth, all that is said in the forum on what they happen to live true to members, especially their writing Alejandra and Lola.
What Hitler, it seems like a statement from a former member who remains a priest and is currently in England: Vladimir Feldmann, who was former secretary to a cardinal English, I think Hume, who died recently.
On the other hand, as is clear from what you have, it should be, still, a member of the Work. He did not contradict that you obtain spiritual benefits of their relationship with the Work, but do not belittle the opinions of many people. I've had no personal problem with anyone of the work, it's just that before you leave that open their eyes is an institution that seeks only its self-congratulation.
I repeat, the views that have been overturned, there is no from someone who says a former member who has not I too have suffered and check others.
The only thing I regret is the publicity surrounding the forum, but that the Internet can be easily avoided.
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For mend3 Guest:
Dear mend3: What my moves me to speak freely are several things. I have thousands of anecdotes in detail, names, positions, centers, etc.. BUT THE ISSUE DOES NOT GO BY THE INDIVIDUAL.
The opus is like planning and organizing fascist and authoritarian. Corrupts human freedom and seeks to nullify the true vocation of each person for personal gain.
I'm glad you're so comfortable with them and I respect you. The funny thing is that your anger intolerant shows two things: O opus and you're not really say or you are not the opus and do not know.
Anyone who loves the good life and lived in the opus opus is known that the enemy of freedom, faith and Christian charity.
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As our friend mend13 must be well informed, well, I suggest you read an interview with the architect Jaroslav Pelikan ex-member of Opus which makes the ODAN.
The address is http://galeon.hispavista.com/aissectas/fisac.html
Then we keep talking ...
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"See estimated Pedro
I will not insult or attack, because in my home parish and taught me not to.
I do not know where you take all these lies about what you say. "
Still cursing, "estimated" mend13. You can not release the first sentence and "in my house, etc etc" and then call me a liar.
You can attend lectures in Paraguay, or wherever you like, but I live in Spain, not many miles from the headquarters of Opus, Torreciudad.
In addition, I have studied contemporary history and especially history of Franco, and that seems very arrogant attitude of yours so opusiana "As it is not what I hear, then a lie."
Escriva was supported by all of Franco, and he supported the regime until its conclusion. Well, during the first years of Franco, in the whole world was fighting the Second World War.
In Europe, it seemed that Hitler's Germany was going to eat the world, in fact conquered much of the continent.
Franco's Spain was an ally of the Germans and Italians, not in vain these made their first "experiments" with weapons and sent troops to fight for Franco's rebellion against the democratic state, the Spanish Republic.
In Spain, opinion was divided between those who thought that Spain should intervene in the world war, pro-Germans who admired Hitler's regime and those who thought it should remain neutral. Escriva, as much of the Spanish company that won the civil war, it supported the former view.
Franco in the end opted for neutrality, and turning the tables (the Germans were losing the war) showed that he was right in his decision.
Unfortunately, that very neutrality that the Allies did not decide to sweep Franco's fascist regime in my country, and returning power to the government that won elections democratically.
Documéntate a wee bit, please, before you call me a liar again, thank you. |
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People:
First of all wanted to say that in October beatify not (and is blessed by JP II beatified in 1992) but canonized him (make it holy).
This is the first time I go to the forum. I really do not believe there was a forum to get the skin to a Prelature of the Catholic Church already NEWS 3 Papas (NEWS Three people who represent Christ on earth) believed and JP II think it is an "institution" (not if you can call it that) that aid and helped many people. But not only the Prelature skinned but also a person who within months will be declared by the Catholic Church: HOLY NEWS .
I hope that if you really suffer so Opus Dei, reflect and see if it's worth this forum and make people suffer who really need it, because Opus Dei is not for everyone ... may be that for pc. it is not ...
Greetings
PS: I really do not think it worthwhile to use our time for this ... NEWS work, try to BE HOLY... |
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Long time no write (though I read every day as does the forum) ... but this last post gave me the following reaction: HA HA HA HA HA  . They are so predictable in their responses ... (the saddest thing a few years ago I would have said the same thing)
Know what? I have great affection by many friends and friends are in Opus yet, because they are good people and are "fanatical", but that never prayed even half a print is the founder ... I do not know, but at a stroke, when I I began to learn other things and I lost quite understand the devotion ... and really have my doubts about whether he should be canonized (and that I went to the beatification, very proud at that time) ... but the Church knows and not I'm going to get, but do not half picture ... more I prayed (after having spent years making and distributing prints everywhere ... God!) 
Lola (I forgot the password, why can not I register ...) Besos a todos! |
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I'm not Opus Dei but I believe in the Roman Catholic Church NEWS ... I believe and trust the pope, and that's why we do not discuss whether he should be canonized or not .. I think the Pope is a thousand times better prepared than I to decide if Escriva de Balaguer should be canonized or not ... so I think it is absurd to waste time discussing these issues when there are more important things to talk about.
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