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Someone suggested this in another forum, and I know nothing about it, but beginning this space because if anyone has anything to substantiate it would be very interesting to say, besides terrible ...
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... there have to their church, sanctifying unbalanced as they are put forward, a true representative of ultraconservadurismo fascist (a mixture between Pinochet and Franco) as they did with an alleged Mexican Indian which there is no evidence that ever existed. ..
but anyway, all to keep his flock ignorant, fearful and hoping that the more suffering in this life, will be awarded proportionally in 'heaven' ... Wake up people of the world, the threads of these men in power did not move his hands and legs which unconscious dolls ... not the drugs with more lies...  |
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Before or after the whistle immediately take you to a temporary doctor to see if "you okay" if the material is not defective.
They then use that doctor as most other via manipulation. Usually it is standard practice q. take you to the doctor not only cdo you are not physically well, but when you raise issues beyond the q. The opus is willing to responder.Y unfortunately for these cases, tb. is usual practice q. you prescribe anti-depressant pills.
When you're young you do not whole lot of dancing. They do their best to hide it.
I dig the years to gradually begin to see an environment surrounded by heavy and strange. In a numerary center between 30 and 50 years you realize that among 12 people, only 4 or 5 do not take antidepressant pills. The rest, more than most, yes.
One day you go to the bathroom and you find a numerary girl with cut veins. (Lives and now is a supernumerary).
Another day you send a young numerary the center for the city. The medication the day and sleeping noche.Estaba has a "vocation crisis". He had some atisvo think for itself and that the opus did not like.
Another day a numerary, q. had blown me with a bright intelligence and recently finished a career in medicine, you start to see the fat of a pathological form (side effect of anxiolytics and antidepressants), see q. plays no work and see him staring, like a zoombie.Le were inflated to pills. Not q. has become of her.
To another he began to medicate 18 years, obviously was increasing the dose to the same degree q. Directors considered q. not effect him. Each vocation crisis pastillazo singing. And punches did not were about the same intensity.
Another day you see q. head of your delegation that has disappeared as if by magic. And after a few days amid great secrecy you find q. has died. Desperation! No more was heard of that person. I forgot his name, I suppose q. supervivencia.Pero instinct of the heart is tearing me apart.
And q. for me was the day I q.otro detonates comes a supernumerary q. my heart (he did talk with me) heartbroken because her son had cash in his twenties at the club muerto.Vivía high school near my centro.Le told q. resvalado had to go downstairs to the studio at night.
By then I was planning to leave y. .. como no! I was sent to the doctor. I had three days asleep. On waking, I got scared and I went alone (q. thing never done, you'll always accompanied by another numerary) to the doctor. I told him my decision to leave work and my panic to live the ordeal of departure. I myself directed output processes up to 2 years.
Then he told me that boy's suicide, had colgado.Aquello was a sledgehammer. I could not creer.Me said firmly q. if my decision was clear right away because I was not physically or psicológicamante endure.
The message was claro.Por once, not if q. the guy was scared shitless, he was sincere.
I have not heard from him.
With q. just told me the game, but I decided to risk in all honesty.
I have seen many people suffer with these silent atropeyos not think if someone asks me.
These cases, if you can tell, are retained within, remain numeraries, but are shared by different senior centers so they will not notice much. They live and are relegated as a scourge to the opus. Others become supernumerary or cooperate to maintain control and q. do no harm.
Bufff. I leave, this is too triste.Revivirlo is torture.
I hope I have clarified the tema.Si anyone has had similar experiences would appreciate the truth contara.Es q. having been 22 years I have had time to see much.
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| Tanit, I'm crucible what is truly terrible accounts, I certainly believe you, and I think you're very brave to express something. in the book of Maria del Carmen Tapia also speaks about it was you. |
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Sorry but I do not think any of it, and it is but if my past that I had lived Tanit esten assured that had been activated to court or whatever, so I do not believe anything about anything at all sound familiar very complicated. I can not believe they make the bold or say that is played by telling a forum. COURAGE is doing what it is at the moment, a police report, or attorneys. So forgive not believe at all and that you left so that the work, a very troubled person like you does not do anything right.
Forgive but do you feel in this moment, I am outraged and I think I'm not so little girl to believe this shit written here by Tanit. |
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| Tanit, I'm sorry but I fully endorse the words of Marc: Opus Dei has never used such rough methods you say. During my stay in the work NEVER made me take a pill and, moreover, never even hinted. All this sounds like I misrepresent or product of a healthy mind. Always criticize some of the procedures of the Work, but this is just a film with aliens. A hug and apologize if I offended you. |
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| Tanit, I'm sorry but I fully endorse the words of Marc: Opus Dei has never used such rough methods you say. During my stay in the work NEVER made me take a pill and, moreover, never even hinted. All this sounds like I misrepresent or product of a healthy mind. Always criticize some of the procedures of the Work, but this is just a film with aliens. A hug and apologize if I offended you. |
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Marc, I do not remember if you are or have been in the works. Have you had positions of responsibility as Tanith? Or have you had so much experience to know what is true or false in the story of Tank?
It amazes me and scares me your lack of the slightest compassion and not merely Christian but human -
Although you would not believe anything about anything, if only out of respect for one chance billion tanit said that what is true, can not speak well or embarrassed to call. Marc, I understand that bother you that say bad things on the agenda but you can not go around beating up and ignoring the comments of others. I think you let your lack evidence of a low sensitivity, compassion and education.
Put if you doubt what I say tanit, I, the Pope, or Buddha, but please, a little respect at people.
And if one day you meet someone really ill or disturbed ... Will you do me the favor of respecting it as well?
ps, after what you said I hope you tell us what you base to make fun of the Tanit message, what is your knowledge of OD Have you been a member of o.d.? "Many years?
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Let's see fellow members, things are rarely black or white, but there are infinite shades (the wonderful gray). Tanit has a series of experiences, I think there are five cases, she lived over 22 years, therefore was not something ordinary but extraordinary. Marc and pans, safe in your environment throughout your life have you known a man or woman who has committed suicide. The same thing happened to Tanith in your environment, it was precisely the OD, so there is nothing strange.
Second item on the pills. Stress and anxiety is recognized by all as one of the dangers of our time, anyone may need drugs to combat them. Now if a person is prone to these alterations and also have to live the standards, making daily apostolic plan, mortification, and be the best in the studio or in the profession, I do not deny that it is easier to fall into the disease, requiring treatment. If all the above plus the desire for a "vocation crisis" and the individual can get out of control. And here is the only thing I disagree with Tanith, because the pills are taken for prescription and medical need, not to stun the person concerned and that he "forget" their vocation crisis. In addition and without treat me sexist because I am not, I think this whole area is given more frequently in the women's section (in society at depression affects more women).
Told well, see Marc as not to get so angry. What was I to say to the police or whoever it was? What were taking pills to someone who needed them?. The problem is needed and why the fault was that some of those around that person.
It is true that persons with mental health problems within the OD, but it just seems as if now surrendered their good years to care for them in bad. But I seem unfair where they are invited to leave, I know some. Do not come to know the criteria for making these decisions, not only internally or if they are also doctors, family and society.
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| Friend Volo: the coterie Marc did not say any nonsense. And you've just hit the nail on why. If all that lived Tanit is divided into 22, the unfairness, it is grossly unfair to highlight only those 5 cases from his experience of 22 years. If I say that in my life have I had a friend commit suicide, another drug addict, another robber ... but more than 35 years and say nothing of those who have lived perfectly integrated (which are hundreds) I am disproportionate case, do not, Volo? As I repeat, and has told me sounds like a movie Tanit, if not contextualized. I remain with Marc Things have to count them all your circumstances and not just to extract the most striking of 22, 30 or 60 years. A ABARZA all. (By the way, thanks for your participation in this forum. I am finding very nice and intelligent). Cazuelo. |
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Volo, I will be specific if I can, I've never disrespected anyone, not the education, and have not said that those affected are insane and it's more I have great compassion for them, especially because it is very well which means the depression, my mother has suffered all his life. I DO NOT HAVE COMPASSION WITH THE LIES AND WHEN confuse things, ie I have no sympathy for the ROLL THAT COUNTS TANIT, because it mixes all suicide with antidepressant and creates mystery, that's wrong and it IS NOT COURAGE, is more VOLO agree with part of your testimony.
And again it might be authoritarian, but it has gone far TANIT lies and mistakes as account and thereby not have compassion and be a thousand things we disagree with the work and criticize and sympathize certain testimony as to bring such young children to make decisions not correct, but I doubt it, and at least I will not let anyone ignore that criticize and harm with his comments OPUS DEI.
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Cazuelo, this is not the press office of Opus Dei and I do not know if this is the place to do apostolate of the public. This is a forum where people can tell their experiences as he pleases. You can have positive and negative experiences. With detail, summary or in installments or in packages of five. That does not entitle anyone to laugh at the experiences of a person.
If someone uses their experiences to draw a conclusion or an overall assessment of the institution OD since then it seems fair that others argue against such judgments, giving relevant explanations and counterarguments. But I seem to get in this forum positions as those of Marc, who says:
I will not let anyone ignore that criticize and harm with his comments OPUS DEI
Because clearly see who is left clinging to an opinion, its narrowness, and his mental axioms not help you understand anything at all about the experiences of others because they do not even give credit or who speaks ill considered OD or psychiatric disorder is a person or is a slanderer hardened. Well, that is not acceptable in a forum where we are to listen to one another and not pay us to advertise in one way or another.
I asked how many years you've been in the OD Marc, or what your experience in the O.D. and knowledge. But I have not answered yet. I think you have an explanation Tanith and the other because if you made fun of his testimony so lightly you have to give some proof that you know the truth and reality as to say that she is lying.
And I hope, Marc, not avoiding my question. Thank you.
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In this forum there have been testimonies of many types, most of which I read are recognizing the manipulation, coercion and other acts that are practiced in Opus, there are some cases where none of that claim is true and even Opus is the freest that outside the Opus. Why this reaction to the Tanit testimone?.
How can you lie and say that Marc is upset?
How can you say casserole that has a healthy mind and that Opus has never used the media?
Volo How can you justify everything you said Tanit, as if he knew it?
I get the impression that Tanith has played a tricky issue, but interesting.
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Marc, do you really dare to go to court with a case against O. knowing that might be the children of the O. representing the blind lady (you know, the sword and the scales)? Remember that Mary Sorrows lost your mind? (the legal, no d jokes).
Why do you call what he writes crap to Tanit? Have you read carefully the Same as you write?
Casserole, for the love of God, do I also doubt it?
Volo, I will tell my case to show you that you're also wrong in saying: "I do not agree with Tanith, because the pills are taken for prescription and medical need, not to stun the person concerned and would" forget "the vocation crisis.
Pite because I was a 15 year old girl with no experience and ... finally, the harassment did until I broke down my fragile arguments why he would not be of the O.
As I wrote the letter gave me the sackcloth and disciplines, they put a "life plan" rigorous and asked me all day ejaculations were praying in Latin, (the learned without knowing its meaning) I guess that did not have a second to think about other things other than the O., O. and O.
Shortly after I was sent to a research center where I went to sleep in a clique (windowless room door and a curtain, in the middle of pitaj did have room). Being a girl with no education, or a maid, had to polish the floor (which waxed rrodillas) with two feet cloths y. .., not like the thing you see when you match this task with both sackcloth hours that were sometimes three (it was enough that he had had an evil thought of the "sixth"). What to polish was not my only task, performed many more that I will not detail, and also attended several hours of class (spirit of the west, association, religion, cuisine, y. .., mathematics and other subjects of primary culture in general that I had studied). In short, a burden, I became a zombie and saw that instead of learning what he did was to forget, I wanted to remember things and I came to mind. Also I began to feel a nervousness that made me literally shaking. I told the director and she gave me a pill, just like that, without taking me to the doctor or anything. From that day, whenever I felt bad that I would furnish my pad, I remember once as not located and I was really shaky, I went to the place where they kept the drug and administered it myself telling me " if she were given the pill huviera me equally ", then when I saw her and I told God as angry!, I promised that I would take the pill ever by myself.
When we saw that this medication does not solve my problem, took me to the consultation of Dr. Santa Maria - C /. Conde Duque - 48 - Madrid.
The report sent to the principal of my school and it gave me is:
"It is now well and has the only trouble nervousness which he defines as inner turmoil, which sometimes is very annoying.
During the interrogation of systems, no data of interest, either in personal or family history.
Physical examination: no pathologic data, except tachycardia to 100 L / m, rhythmic, emotional character. The ray of chest was normal.
Clinical trial: There seems to be in it any organic disease, nervous disorders which tells more temperamental seem pathological.
I introduced Calcibronat treatment with one tablet 3 times daily.
Note: it was prudent anyway análises conducting the blood and urine, which he has been requested and sent me the results. "
Forgive me for including this report, I've done for you to see my veracity.
I also ensure that before the O. I was taken along with other girls pitables, to get a thorough medical examination which, incidentally, one of my companions was unfit as I said this: " X do not proselytize because it has a big heart. " No it means the disease, if someone can enlighten me I would appreciate it.
I wish you all the best.
 
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Well, I think I should explain a few things: A IGGY AND ULYSSES: I'm nowhere near any clone of the Information Office of the OD. Moreover, if you followed my posts you'll see that I am extremely critical of some procedures that were used in the Work in my time (80s). But the condition I have set myself to participate in this forum is trying to be as fair as I can. Obviously I can not put my hand in the fire for anyone, but I continue to think that this horror story that has received does not match Tanit my experiences within the Work. Suicides, people who use drugs so they do not think ... sincerely, Iggy, do not you think that things are being taken out of proportion? At least, as I mentioned in a previous message these cases are completely decontextualized. Another thing, I have not called Tanit "healthy mind", but his statement seems more the product of a "healthy mind". It seems the same, but it is not. More: things can count as you want, naturally. And one is entitled to believe them or not. Look, 17 years ago I left work and I think it's really hard to talk about this issue is to separate personal feelings (resentment too often) than it really is. The Work is (was at least) a lot of criticism, many internal contradictions, a normativism asphyxiating, but from there to reach what he says Tanit's a long way that I sincerely believe that the Work does not walk (and eye, not I doubt there are people inside who had committed suicide or fell into alcoholism and even died from AIDS, or take pills. But in the same manner as in the whole society. And that I do not think that is attributable (in whole, at least) to Opus Dei. "Of course, I occasionally take anxiolytics: I will consider whether the fault is my wife or Opus Dei retroactively (sorry this easy joke). Saludos. Cazuelo.  |
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Marc your statements sound like tantrum. Still reacting like you're in the opus. The q. not with me is against me. The q. says things q. I do not like an upset.
Joder tío from q. entered in these forums I have not stopped insulting me. And when you have always demanded an explanation you're going through the hills of Ubeda.
Also unexpected q. 're agree with my experiences. It is too much for you y. .. hurts.
For q. I would invent such cases? For me it's not nice to relive, as I am now are quite escabroso.Yo-ass. And I do not remember da good vibes.
Between them you have been clearing the contexto.Efectivamente, as I put in the message, were experiences over 22 years.
casserole say, "unjust, it is grossly unfair to highlight only those 5 cases from his experience of 22 years." For it is to rejoice q. I have not seen more cases right?. Logically story 5 q. I remember more because I do not want made clear indigo más.Y q. were over 22 years and more right in the end, q. I learned more.
Casserole, and someone dice.Tengo you more information because I govierno charges. You know q. cash one has knowledge of the work q. your local council (director, deputy and secretary) will allow. The local council knows what they transimeten its directors and priests of the delegation. These in turn will not know more q. the central government of his country.The central Rome govierno directs all countries. And finally govierno depends on the bishop of Rome.
Most of the time q. I was inside, I had charges govierno local council level center. Fresh out of the study center with 18 years as deputy got me a club in high school. Then director, then secretary. And so on. I do not give details for obvious reasons.
A. Yes q. I fell more logically browns q. to cash in on foot. And received guidelines to follow my delegation principals, q. cash without charge one had no idea.
Even sometimes the delegation I ordered a hard case of q. could not participate the rest of the local council.
Marc, you say, "I will not let anyone ignore that criticize and harm with his comments OPUS DEI."
And Q. going to do besides insult me? "Look, let me q. I laugh. To me and I have pushed many to q. give me your threat if the dirty laundry bag opus.
"Q. intend q. put the full name of the account affected for q. you believe it? Obviously for justice with that person, never will.
And Q. you want q. tell you, this is the q. there is. I can not say the cosa.El q. wants to understand q. understand.
37 I thank you for your sinceridad.Siendo director, was frequently act as they did with you.
Regards to all, stating q. I am open to any clarification.
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