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Someone suggested this in another forum, and I know nothing about it, but beginning this space because if anyone has anything to substantiate it would be very interesting to say, besides terrible ...
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Guys, what excitement!
The truth is that right now I'm super embarrassed (for work), but could not avoid reading the whole discussion, and the truth that left me thinking ...
When I read the first comment, my hair stood on end! I could not believe (note, I'm not saying that tanit is lying, is an expression of amazement). I had never heard of this issue as well, as is, crudely, but I called him the alertness of cash of all ages taking antidepressants or anti-anxiety pills. Specifically, one of which was a good friend (we had other contacts in addition to the work) was completed almost escaping from the center (and spent a few days at home, but later they told me that it was undesirable because it might confuse me ... I was re-idiot, I said I was not going to move in with her, let her alone and never saw her again, then left the city ... When I left the little time I work too. This was one of the things that made me think he spent with the charity that was preached both ...) I return to the subject, was made one Escracho with anorexia nervosa, had dropped about 10 kg (and it was very skinny before). It was a super fun gal, smart, capable, and had become "rare" ... 2 years ago have not seen, but I know it went really bad, and was with psychiatric treatment, but all I can do nothing about it. Well, if you get so interested, but to me it is a theme that marked me (and I admit wrongdoing, but now I was a coward and "obedient")
In the center was another numerary who had no more than 35 years old and lived medicated. Bnien never knew he had, but did not sleep at night, had a special lifestyle, had no apostolic orders (ie, did not bring big things ahead, was only 2 or 3 friends). It ended, returning to his country, but I'm not sure I was not going poreuqe by the center.
And another girl I knew when I whistled, and then went to the study center, Josephine: 1000 kilos gained weight (and formerly one of the prettiest girls and fashion of the city, all the kids love it). A year of being in the study center is mysteriously returned to our city, but nobody said anything ... I found it a few days of the street and saw super rare, he replied evasively ... Me drew attention, I told the director and said poor is wrong.
Some years later, a numerary (which was the one who had tried to Josephine, and whistle before they were together all day) told me he had gone half-crazy in cewntro study, which was odd behavior, like not sleeping in the night, etc (not really explained much, but I also did not preguinté, because it was something that shocked me ...), you told me ... Conclñusión difficult coexistence, left, and now me find a anoia once, for the holidays, he returns to visit his parents, because he works in the U.S. and ytambién was in Europe and Australia. The chick is a genius in his (computer) and also re-formed a normal family ..
I myself sent to a doctor of the work, which gave me Alplax when he commented that I was listless, had no desire to do anything (read the rules or take orders apost'çolicos below), all things burn had imported a lot and did not interest me ... It was really a crisis of vocation, which was hinted ...
Well, actually I have dizzy with my stories ... I understand that I have destabilized this issue, because I refuse to believe it is something "machined" to keep people (because it would be perverse), but I've seen behavior strange (as there are in other areas) and it's like I installed this in my head ...
A kiss to all! (the truth, I'm impressed ...)
Lola
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Guys, what excitement!
The truth is that right now I'm super embarrassed (for work), but could not avoid reading the whole discussion, and the truth that left me thinking ...
When I read the first comment, my hair stood on end! I could not believe (note, I'm not saying that tanit is lying, is an expression of amazement). I had never heard of this issue as well, as is, crudely, but I called him the alertness of cash of all ages taking antidepressants or anti-anxiety pills. Specifically, one of which was a good friend (we had other contacts in addition to the work) was completed almost escaping from the center (and spent a few days at home, but later they told me that it was undesirable because it might confuse me ... I was re-idiot, I said I was not going to move in with her, let her alone and never saw her again, then left the city ... When I left the little time I work too. This was one of the things that made me think he spent with the charity that was preached both ...) I return to the subject, was made one Escracho with anorexia nervosa, had dropped about 10 kg (and it was very skinny before). It was a super fun gal, smart, capable, and had become "rare" ... 2 years ago have not seen, but I know it went really bad, and was with psychiatric treatment, but all I can do nothing about it. Well, if you get so interested, but to me it is a theme that marked me (and I admit wrongdoing, but now I was a coward and "obedient")
In the center was another numerary who had no more than 35 years old and lived medicated. Bnien never knew he had, but did not sleep at night, had a special lifestyle, had no apostolic orders (ie, did not bring big things ahead, was only 2 or 3 friends). It ended, returning to his country, but I'm not sure I was not going poreuqe by the center.
And another girl I knew when I whistled, and then went to the study center, Josephine: 1000 kilos gained weight (and formerly one of the prettiest girls and fashion of the city, all the kids love it). A year of being in the study center is mysteriously returned to our city, but nobody said anything ... I found it a few days of the street and saw super rare, he replied evasively ... Me drew attention, I told the director and said poor is wrong.
Some years later, a numerary (which was the one who had tried to Josephine, and whistle before they were together all day) told me he had gone half-crazy in cewntro study, which was odd behavior, like not sleeping in the night, etc (not really explained much, but I also did not preguinté, because it was something that shocked me ...), you told me ... Conclñusión difficult coexistence, left, and now me find a anoia once, for the holidays, he returns to visit his parents, because he works in the U.S. and ytambién was in Europe and Australia. The chick is a genius in his (computer) and also re-formed a normal family ..
I myself sent to a doctor of the work, which gave me Alplax when he commented that I was listless, had no desire to do anything (read the rules or take orders apost'çolicos below), all things burn had imported a lot and did not interest me ... It was really a crisis of vocation, which was hinted ...
Well, actually I have dizzy with my stories ... I understand that I have destabilized this issue, because I refuse to believe it is something "machined" to keep people (because it would be perverse), but I've seen behavior strange (as there are in other areas) and it's like I installed this in my head ...
A kiss to all! (the truth, I'm impressed ...) Dear Lola: analyze an issue as Opus Dei is very complex. A person who gives the organization-to-denying it should be psychologically strong to withstand that level of dedication and the deep contradictions that exist between theory and practice do not contribute to mental equilibrium. So I agree that a person who denies the evidence of his own life to think "like the work you want to think" (which is what they want) can lead to very delicate psychological moments. But I find it incredible that the Work, motu proprio, be devoted to manage (as norm) or similar drugs. It is true (and this is only fair to admit it) that in Opus Dei are bitter enemies of psychological treatments ( "the Work Psychologists are not needed because we have someone who listens to us in spiritual direction," rather repeated phrase in my center during the '80s) and that before such an event they were caught off guard and patching the problem solved without addressing the anxiety sometimes battered psyche. Therefore, I do not dismiss that have been todfas the things you talk about yourself or Tant. Now, counting as narrated Tanit gives the impression that the OD is a orgabización of psychopaths. And that, you know yourselves, not true. One thing is they do not know how to address these problems and that even in they cocasiones out of hand, but another is that it is a rough plot premeditated. And that is not so. Kisses. Cazuelo.  |
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First, my respect and solidarity with the sad experiences that are recounted here (and with which they are recounted here, too). Tanit, you have all my support to your problem. Even if you think different, I hope you accept it when you please (my emilio walking around in a catalog of listeros)
But let me tell you that I do not think that such methods exist Opus. Yes there are psychological, physical, vocational ... as anywhere, (remember that the very Santa Teresa de Jesus was accused of similar things because some of its first mad nuns ended, another suicide ...) but the delicacy of the work before the disease is almost proverbial. I remember my classmates case that in times of crisis were a season at home with their parents (and I remember it was not the typical family Opus) and others that were tense moments with the help of other Fellows who outdid themselves to make her a taste.
Cl say that they knew more things than the cash "on foot" we all know that sooner or later a numeraire is a semitropical, and had centers where all the Fellows "foot" are or were directors, deputy directors or secretaries one or a thousand schools.
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cAZUELO, I AGREE WITH YOU (AND I DO NOT AT ANY TIME THAT SAID THE WORK IS A PARTNERSHIP of psychopaths ...) but not Desiree Tanith and 37 ...
SOLO said I was deeply impressed by the tales of ... seems coherent DRUGS YOUR ASSESSMENT ON THE TYPE OF LIFE "... can lead to very delicate psychological moments ... It's true (and it is fair to acknowledge ) that in Opus Dei are bitter enemies of psychological treatments ( "the Work Psychologists are not needed because we have someone who listens to us in spiritual direction," a phrase repeated in my heart enough for the 80) and that with a possibility of such catches them off guard and patching the problem solved without addressing the anxiety sometimes battered psyche ... "
BYE! (BUT I STILL IMPRESSED)
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In all areas successful people with psychological or psychiatric problems, but Tanith has spoken of a very high percentage among the people in your heart, does anyone know if the percentage of those cases within the Opus is similar to the rest of society?.
I also drew attention to concerns that Tanit went to a doctor, while others only becomes indicais spiritual director does this difference may be because they are in different places or institutions?.
Another question I have is whether these spiritual directors have some preparation to prescribe drugs to treat these pathologies.
The only study I know about this is research on sexuality at exadeptos sects, which involved a high percentage of people who had been in Opus is a full part but suggests that psychological problems may be more proportion than in society at large. |
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I'm impressed by the testimony of Tank, but I knew a psychologically sick ex-dei (with delusions of persecution) I was terrified of men and ended up hospitalized in a psychiatric reason at times realized that I was afraid, and I said it, do not know what became of her. The supernumerary that now accompanies ma came to skin disease and is undergoing treatment and his condition is due to the nerves that come from so many things and meticulously comply with Opus.
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Hala, Selene! More flesh! How far can pretend to arrive? You are using the example of some people sick to extend it (apparently) on all who are part of that institution. Of course you must have people suffering from nerves within the Opus Dei! And even as I said before, life itself and the specific delivery of the work can sometimes lead them to appear. But you are making a world, in the sense that it gives the appearance that the entire institution is composed of nerves or mental patients. Please, a little restraint, folks. I am critical of Opus Dei, but I think you have spent some people. Greetings. Cazuelo. |
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Although it is repetitive, the views expressed here are from the perspective of the author and circumstance, although overlapping not mean it is a general rule, I refer specifically to the issue of drugs. We all know the care they gave us at home when ill, medical, special diet, etc.. I give him the benefit of the doubt tanit, but what I said, I find it immoral practice, and we know that, if not all, inside there are virtuous people who never would allow such action, except for strictly medical prescription and not by a "vocational crisis". It verad life indoors is not easy, as someone mentioned before, is overwhelming the plan of life and all that entails vocation, so it is logical that breaks the physical or mental health, but I remember even in those details was particularly careful, I happened to go hiking with people denoting weariness or even take them to the doctor if necessary, when they saw you anxious, overwhelmed, etc. seriously. there was always someone who will ask if you something happened, ie they were always care what you might happen and that helped a lot. Tanit So I give you the benefit of the doubt.
Un saludo fraterno donde quiera que se encuentren.
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Sorry, only one more comment.
After that I went home, we met a pair of occasions, about eight or nine more that had come out at that time. Some even within fifteen years, and I know |
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Dear Goro: although not the main focus of this discussion, it would discutirte this "delicacy" that boasts members of Opus Dei in the face of the sick. It is true that when you are sick go to visit but ... Why born to them, really? Or better, because it is one of the rules of good spirit? I, the truth is that I struggle and I find the solution. I remember when I was sick of never missing the winged my bed even a few hours a day (was added) but I remember situations in which it took me their courtesy and delicacy but as they were registered as cases in which one should demonstrate good spirit, I was more alone that one. And, after many years thinking about it come to a conclusion: it is the result of an artificiality that seeks "natural" and "family", but not felt. It is thus it is written but ... I remember one of the oft-repeated phrases of Founder today when in ancient times was as a priest to a nunnery. He said that in this convent was not charity but "the love that my mother gave me" and it was what he aspired to have in Opus Dei. And the truth (whether rightly said) is that many members strive for it, but where there is, you can get: no treatment of true friendship among the members (it is all there ever pyramid structure and confide in partners) that there can never love you yes I've had and I felt when I was out, but with these people who now want me not have as many "implications" to feel her brother. Do not know what I mean. A greeting. Cazuelo  |
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| Whoever wrote the above I am, I do not know why my nickname did not come out. Mysteries. Cazuelo |
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| Whoever wrote the above I am, I do not know why my nickname did not come out. Mysteries. Cazuelo |
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Dear Marc, you must be young by the vehemence of your writing, that's OK. But if you read my message really that say, "see Marc as there is for angry" and from there if you take the bad with Tanit education, that if such and if that, as we say in my country (Spain) put the patch before he left the grain. Another tip I give you (if I may) is that when reading messages discriminate between the "spirit of OD" and "members of the OD." If you look at most of the messages (not all) is set to question the behavior of members of the RE, not the spirit of OD (that would be more typical of theologians and experts in church history).
Dear 37 ( "Poppy?), Thank you very much for your testimony, I was impressed by the existence of directors dispensing of drugs, and it seems unfair, not the drug itself (which surely would be an anxiolytic without major medical problem, provided that respect the dose) but by the failure to sufficiently consider yourself ready to take it or decide not to do it for yourself. Of course, this falls under the idea of "My little girls" I guess you would hear thousands of times. However in the men's section, the numerary assistants you were what we might call the great unknown. I had ever heard of cliques, but until you describe in your message did not know what they were. It is very strong that you have no door or in your room. Is it true that at a certain time you turned off the light?. Do not know if it's a good idea, but maybe I could start a discussion in the Forum whose theme would be Assistant numeraries.
Dear Tank, your message when I said I forgot about the director who disappeared and after a few days with the greatest secrecy and told you he was dead. Making a virtual exercise of Sherlock Holmes (which basically amuses me), I think if he had died a natural death there had been no problem in saying it but it had officiated funerals, including Gregorian chant (maybe). Suicide? I think not. A director must have a well equipped mind and a person so do not get up one morning and suicide. I have two options. 1. She went crazy. It can occur in any person who has latent schizophrenia in a moment of face. Perhaps also other pathologies, but am not a doctor. 2. He made the bag and escaped or disappeared one morning. In either case, especially in the second, it would be "right" to say he was dead (in fact he had made to the agenda).
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Cazuelo:
I suggest you learn to read and interpret my mind this fails you, I said ex-dei. Also do not intend to do more flesh, more than what the Church has already made one and I do not! I just wanted to make a contribution to experience anything else.
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Selene: I beg a thousand pardons if I interpreted your words. Sorry. Kisses. Cazuelo.  |
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