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| volo |
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14 November de 2002 at 17:57:03
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Be more honest and say that the page is at criticism ANSWERS DO, developed "a personal" with the official doctrine of the OD. Thus, all the answers could sign the Information Office on the OD. What do you mean getting into the propaganda of that page in the topics of discussion? Do you have AOP as apostolic assignment? ! There is Pepe, Pepe, to see if you live more!
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| pepe |
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Volo:
PrGunTa: "What do you mean getting into the propaganda of that page in the topics of discussion?"
Answer: Discussion.
PrGunTa: "Do you have AOP as apostolic assignment?"
Answer: No.
"! There Pepe, Pepe, to see if you live more!"
it is worth: There Volo, Volo, you see it more democratic. |
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| Berto |
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| Hello Bob. I Berto, the friend of children. I like you so instructive and educational. As the priest little grumpy that I was fortunate. Actually you're like a miniobra. We generate the problem and give you the solution. A navel, well. When you cut the umbilical cord to my brother was horrible. I have three brothers. Blood, the priest would say. So would the chaplain. But do not hold grudges. I feel bad even hinted that the insinuation of Volo. I am a friend of children. No pederast. In that sense I am a friend of girls over 18 years. The page you advise me as a drag. Like a catechism. I like this forum. Although people of all kinds strain. I strained to me. In your page you can not ask solution for personal problems. Retirement Course Schedules you like. But personal problems. They are the ones that really matter. One question: has never sued the gas sector and the heaters against the Work? The low rate of consumption of hot water. For us to be that companies are of the Work and mortify too. I do not know. I think I'm rolling. Does that clear your page, Pepe? No? Well not for me. Bye |
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| Evaristo |
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Berto Berto Berto Berto ... you if you generate the problem (friend of children) and you see the solution (it is now girls)
You really think you're going to be taken seriously anywhere? Your obsession that borders on the pathological short cure.
I think I know why you kicked out of the Opus
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Berto Berto Berto Berto ... you if you generate the problem (friend of children) and you see the solution (it is now girls)
You really think you're going to be taken seriously anywhere? Your obsession that borders on the pathological short cure.
I think I know why you kicked out of the Opus
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| Hi Evaristo. I Berto, the friend of children. It is an honor to talk to you. You express yourself very properly and interest in matters of Opus Dei. Besides, you know Latin. The good. Perhaps it is true that no one takes me seriously. In the Work either. I said she had mixed feelings. They answered that they would read more. I exposed doubts. They told me how things work, lad. Of idiots. The dialogue, I say. And I worried that no one took me seriously then. Why I had to worry about now? Actually named the priest softly and grunting in a kind of homage. He had guts, man. As the sea bream. The director also. The gill, I say. By the way, what does pathological? |
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| Ulises |
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I saw the page they post as head of this issue and I've only entered the paragraph which states because the opus is not a cult, if not I understand correctly says that it is not because ....... ......¿ and because it is not?, because apart from that it is not, is that the church says it is not. Following this argument is expressed as complex as we go wrong is saying that the opus is a cult (I was surprised, but says nothing about whether we believe it is a cult must repent).
If all of this is, I fear that only the opus, children and Berto (being fond of children) may be read as a whole.
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Hello everyone!
certainly a page a bit tiring, cone arribita here someone said, turns in the same and concludes nothing, ditto to everything.
how easy it is to "achieve" out of the play is debatable, personally do not "achieve" out of work ... but in cases where the start was good, but rather traumatic ...
That the members pray every day for the eX  ? very, very questionable, as can be if they were taken by unhappy condemned to hell for leaving, they were erased from the map ...
This page so but as promoted in this forum is full of holes, gaps and points of recursion in excess ...
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| Hello, friends. I Berto, the friend of children. The issue of page Pepe Pepe is not makes me think. And if along with the involvement of ex-agd makes me think even more. Because the work you want to play on the pitch. In Bernabeu and Camp Barça. The work combines two elements strangely. The loyalties and allegiances by statutes sentimental. From the first almost nobody has a clue because nobody read us the rights and obligations. The intuited, though. But very clever, when they have no legal arguments, appealing to the sense of belonging to a family. Complete and undeniable bond that limits any glimmer of freedom. It is nice to say, boy, now you can not go hiking with your parents because there gathering. Or do not you confess with anyone else other than the cure little grumpy. Why? Because you belong to a family. If you did the above would be treason. So the concept of the family fills the void of the juridical. It is very handy that. And stressful and dogmatic. And abuse. With the skillful combination of both the partner is caught by the balls. With forgiveness. You can not do anything for himself. The Work is a great reference. Everything is consulted. The director told us we had to consult it. Even the silliest trifles. I do not know if legally it should be. But I never knew my rights. Even after you came with the tale of the good spirit. That is, what is normative is no attack on the good spirit. What creates this? Then a tie so strong that when you go do not know anything. And that is the same streets. Evaristo, I got kicked out. I went. Tired. If you want to copy and paste this message on whether it is easier to stop the Work. No, not easy. Guilt, psychological pressure, ignorance of the outside, not friends of anyone that has nothing to do with the Work. And the facilities that give you, mostly. A bold move, in short. Mood ex-agd and all. I just got up. Almost 13 hours. I in my pajamas. I have a huge coffee front. This in the Work could be considered nothing short of serious misconduct. Why statutes or family? Do not know. Well, I'm going to stick a hot duchita. Another failure. Bye. |
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16 November de 2002 at 15:47:59
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Hey Berto, I just want to say I support your views.
But I understand your tagline: "I'm the friend of children". Explain yourself better.
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Hello everyone!
Berto, thanks for sharing my opinion, thanks for the encouragement.
The wide consultation that is very good, it is true that everything is a query, even something as silly as if you can stay 15 min, 1 / 2 hour, etc. at night time studying. "look if you can disclose?" que onda no? and so many things.
Always enjoy your coffee with milk and your hot shower...
Bye
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Berto, as I understand you do not know! Dress pleasure to do that without guilt (and without having to explain) these "little things" get up later if you're sleepy or you feel like it, sleep a good nap, watch a program on tv, eat ice cream or take a something even if after hours, walk through the center facing windows and buy something if you have money and you feel like it, go take a caf're with friends and talk about anything (although I confesr I still resounds "is will ask you account for all the idle talk "), shower with hot water, etc, etc, etc ...
Greetings!! I'll just get some sleep because I travel (I was in Cordoba, a province of Argentina) and I am a little tired, but tonight I want to leave...BYE!
Lola
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Berto, ex-agd, Lola etc:
greetings!! I'm going to get some sleep because I just travel (walk to the Cordovanes, that it is a province of Argentina is neither).
before I go to see if my wife lets me go visit mom! |
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"Criticisms of Opus Dei? Have you entered this page Pepe to counter all the views here are deposited on your CULT?
Well see how rebates this:
Do you know that part Torreciudad Shrine was built twice that because of some bricks that did not like those of the "Work" was shot and rebuilt?
Do you know that in building the secret passage of the sanctuary were replaced by workers so that none knew the total travel of that passage?
Do you know that the chapel of Torreciudad (the old, simple) could come at any time, and now (in the sumptuous) quite a few meters before, there are doors that prevent passage to pilgrims?
Do you know that the battery Baptizing of Barbastro Cathedral in Rome in the house (I forget the name) where he lived on St. Josemaria?
Do you know that employers outside the OPUS economic cooperation are required (type ETA) and not to give it stop outsourcing?
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| Hola, Pepe. I Berto, the friend of children. Have a good rest. Good dreams. If you're the Opus Dei does not surprise me that you consult your saint. Is that house brand consulting. And if you're not, maybe they are sequels. In this case, has maintained its look. I am also glad that you arrive with your trip well is not by any province of Argentina. Your lady will check the mail? My manager looked at me. The one who sent and received. And I was so happy because I knew I infected with anything harmful. The directors are in this respect as an antivirus. I scan everything that comes. And what accounts for your wife is also a good antivirus. Be careful with your mom. You can put ideas into your head that you depart. The trouble is that I felt very free when I was there. Now as I become infected. But the decisions are mine. Greetings to your wife. Spirit in your website that is not yours. I'm going to breakfast. Bye. |
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