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| pepe |
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Question: "Criticisms of Opus Dei? Pepe Have you entered this page to counter all the views here are deposited on your CULT?"
Answer: no, because Opus Dei is a cult.
Question: "Do you know that part Torreciudad Shrine was built twice that because of some bricks that did not like those of the" Work "was shot and rebuilt?"
Answer: No, I did not know. but I see this as criticism but as a compliment to Opus Dei ...
Question: "Do you know that in building the secret passage of the sanctuary were replaced by workers so that none knew the total travel of that passage?"
Answer: No, I did not know. but it was pra ser secret passageway, the Opus Dei had caution when workers were replaced so that no one knew the total travel of the passage, do not you think?
Question: "Do you know that the chapel of Torreciudad (the old, simple) could come at any time, and now (in the sumptuous) quite a few meters before, there are doors that prevent passage to pilgrims ?
Answer: No, I did not know. I knew only that mine is closed Parrochia ore at 19 pm, and Opus Dei is not ...
Question: "Do you know that the battery Baptizing of Barbastro Cathedral in Rome in the house (I forget the name) where he lived on St. Josemaria?"
Answer: Yes, I know? and was stolen by the Opus Dei?
Question: "Do you know that employers outside the OPUS economic cooperation are required (type ETA) and not to give it stop outsourcing?"
Answer: No, I would not know who had invented a Calunnia like that your index... |
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| pepe |
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18 November de 2002 at 12:58:02
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Hello, Berto, the friend of children.
thanks.
I forgot to say that my wife is petite and pretty ...
"But the decisions are mine."
Comment: it's worth, "Sono contento per te.
on my part, increasingly I think I'm like with Moses, lead me where I did not want to go ... children, the petite and pretty woman, the mother-that it short and grumpy-etc.
but I am less happy about it ... on the contrary, that makes me happy is happy ... hecerles (even make the mother happy short and grumpy)... |
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Hello, Berto, the friend of children.
thanks.
I forgot to say that my wife is petite and pretty ...
"But the decisions are mine."
Comment: it's worth, "Sono contento per te.
on my part, increasingly I think I'm like with Moses, lead me where I did not want to go ... children, the petite and pretty woman, the mother-that it short and grumpy-etc.
but I am less happy about it ... on the contrary, that makes me happy is to make them happy ... (even make the mother happy short and grumpy)... |
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18 November de 2002 at 21:58:04
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1. What to demolish and rebuild (for a few bricks that did not like) part of Torreciudad, was touted as poverty of your Do you think a poor person can afford that?
2. As for the secret passage Do you find it normal that a construction of 1970 put such a recourse to medieval times?
3. Of course, the parish closed at certain hours, and well, but is it fair that your sect has seized on the access to the small chapel of Torreciudad and there have removed the original image of the Virgin.
4. The baptismal font of the cries to Heaven Do you know how many people have been baptized in that stack? What are your Father unless not they too have taken it home? Besides, do not you think its true place is where they drew?: Barbastro Cathedral.
5. What of slander I take it easy because I do not get angry because I have to rectify later. Always came to the conclusion that bad faith is not what moves you to cover or hide the truth, but an excessive desire to protect your work.
However I will say that I have a huge flaw: I am "brutally honest".
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19 November de 2002 at 11:12:54
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1. poverty is different from fudge, to do everything well, no?
2. As for the secret passage, nor all bad medieval ... the arquitetura is very good, for example ... jajajajaja
3. how many people came to see her before? how many people to visit the Virgin now? moreover, the Ermida antiga was simple, dirty, abandoned, without restoration, and now the image of the Virgin is clean, beautiful, she is loved and venerated by thousands of people, with filial affection ...
moreover, the authorities have given permission, no?
4. As for the font, you know the history of the transfer to the home of Opus Dei? therefore better inform yourself before speaking ... was not stolen by the Opus Dei, of course.
5. I repeat that is slanderous and always came to the conclusion that an excessive desire to attack the Work becomes bad faith.
Stay calm: you do not have the "default" of sincerity selvaje... |
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| clio |
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19 November de 2002 at 13:54:38
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Berto: I fully agree with you, especially when you explain the control and manipulation through the "family ties", fortunately I have not lived but it permanently suffer when I see how they handle people's lives at that I appreciate and love you. From outside we see so clearly some !.... hacércelos but impossible to understand "them."
greetings,
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19 November de 2002 at 19:55:49
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1. Poverty is poverty as Jesus had to decide to be born in a manger. If it had been built the sanctuary of Torreciudad sure it had not been born.
2. What is a secret passage? So many enemies must have prepared an escape? ... jajajajaja.
3. What serves the Virgin to be Torreciudad enlarge? Who are the returns?
4. Let me say that the old chapel was humble, has a pass, but said he was dirty, that's not anything you can say "Were you in the chapel to have that opinion?
5. Know that now are being claimed as bishop of Lerida all pictures, tapestries, paintings, etc.. who bought, plundered, or whatever they did for part of the Aragonese religious heritage in their possession. Without clutch quiet estate because I am quite sure that the baptismal font of the Cathedral heritage Barbastro not be claimed, which is rather suspect the other.
6. And what you call "slander I assure you it is a truth as a temple, see if I am sure I can tell you that happened to people close to me.
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19 November de 2002 at 23:26:12
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Hello everyone!
Specific criticism: why so little coherence of life: examples: poverty: you saw the cars l @ s @ s numerari add some @ s @ s?
proójimo love: left lying in the road to anyone who no longer find it useful for their purposes.
Charity: the same example that love of neighbor
honestly, why should you keep things to your blood family 
coming so will other
Bye
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20 November de 2002 at 15:32:16
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1. I do not need to learn from poverty, because I am poor. I do not know as for you. the Lord, yet, I think they should offer the best we can. todas as churches (buildings) must be poor? well, then your barbastro Cathedral is not the best example ...
2. if you were Saberi numerary assistant for serving a passage: to have acesso at several units, in total separation from the male section. is a complex construction, I do io.
3. Virgin serves to make their kids love demuenstran ...
4. No, I have never been there.
5. it's worth, things could be stolen / plundered, it is certain to return to its owner. The baptismal font was stolen?
6. she has reported to the polizia? it should complain, if it were true that you claim. is a serious crime ... no?
dejate of gossip because I think you lose credit with slander unlikely.
ah! apology ... as I have not thought of this before: és ovvio! ETA is an armed wing of Opus Dei to take over the Basque country and Spain after all ...
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20 November de 2002 at 16:35:46
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| Dear 37 and Pepe. I, Berto, the friend of children. Not to pry, but the step that you go with your argument going to conclude that I, Berto, the friend of children, I am the Father. For example. Or that Evaristo is an agent of Hare Krishna. |
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| Evaristo |
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| Drat, Berto, I've caught! Cachis! |
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| Invitado |
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| I do not understand many things I can believe me or not believe, the truth is with nonsense such as give an email address to a sister (numerary-directory of a site) of my blood, would affect the total separately of my elderly father, and my six siblings. Intenet address that was used in my message. I have no intention of hiding. However it have much power. They are like the Jews are hated but are in every part, and with much power, it adds pordes that day by day, under the pretext of the already famous apostolate. |
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Hello everyone!
So says the guest, of course apostolate for many things, be it of course, for everything is to get more "people of San Rafael" piten then, the friendship with people of Opus Dei should be superficial or someone believes that a (a) numerari @ can be friends
bye
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| Alvaro |
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Ex-agd, even though you disagree with me on the classification of OD as a totalitarian group (or destructive cult), which says is another characteristic of these groups. The only members who are guided by the interest of the sect. Friendship, love, kindness, etc, natural values in any human relationship, in totalitarian groups is 'theatrical' in order to get new members.
PS: I always refer to Opus of cash and auxiliaries. The remaining classes, is another matter.
A greeting
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05 December de 2002 at 10:54:46
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Some of us did so much harm in the name of God, until that word bothers us, however I have to appoint him to explain what I mean.
If I'm wrong, I think He said: "Anything that you do to my creatures is me you're doing it." If so I do not remember exactly the sentence but, we are left with essence.
And what are doing to God?
Their followers away from his real family, harass them with a strenuous life plan: "I want my daughters that when you get to bed ye more than a lemon squeezed, they fill the mortifications: corporeal and mental ...
"My children, you do this for the greater glory of God"
Does God enjoys seeing the blood in your legs under each prong of sackcloth?, Do you enjoy watching them whip?, Does he enjoy his bitter?
So do not believe in God. Not in the God who painted them.
At number 999, and finally, Way, said his Father: "What is the secret of perseverance? The Love-Fall in love, and not "you" leave ".
How can one love a God so cruel and inhuman?
If you have an answer I'm waiting.
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