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In reply to an e-mail I wrote this letter to a person who has offered to enter the Opus Dei as a full-time member. Luckily this person, very intelligent, reports before making such a big step.
I take the opportunity to open a forum in case someone else happens the same and want my opinion:
Leete primarily well what is in the forums. no doubt that the experiences of former members do not exaggerate. The important thing is that YOU choose what you do. For that you are lucky (not that we had made the opus before the information age) to have at hand the great Internet.
I can tell you one thing: if you decide to get into the Opus Dei, who will happily that implies. If you manage to do so (which it did not before, you'd find with the practices slowly and if flinch faltabas forward "the house"), if you get it, compare it to what former members say in the forums or ask us by e-mail or the forums itself, whether true or incomplete as you have said.
Opus Dei has a sectarian way of acting. if you think that you will not be able to run your life, or that it is better to blindly obey your superiors what they say without thinking about what you should or not, the sect is your place, is a place where they find you. Otherwise if you like freedom, does not explain "compulsory" for everything you think, feel, want and do not wish to receive orders on how to act in this life (whether for the purpose it is) never and do not enter the opus dei or any other sectarian group performance.
think that once inside your main objective will be to find new vocations ( "capture" new members), work for free for them (they will tell you that "we must sanctify work and then I will give them everything you earn -- for what? to buy new houses, pay travel, keep highlands apartments in different cities, and so on. I assure you that nothing or little ire aimed at eradicating poverty, hunger and plagues that are the real issues that humanity has. maybe , recently found that some people will tell you that each week collects and delivers food to the poor of their city. true, but not its primary objective, I wish it were! the objective behind this activity is: taking advantage of doing something good for society, we do it with a friend @ (if no friend @ NO FOOD DELIVERY, was postponed until someone goes with them) and in a moment of emotion (as is to be with a poor giving food) attempt cause vocation.
He thinks people are trying to convince you that beep (type the letter of acceptance) are good people. only are people who are deceived and blindly follows instructions. once a year have to write a list of three of its San Rafael. have one year to three individuals piten. Imagine how they spend their energies!
once you enter, if you go, you think your blood family is going into the background, your family will be ell @ s. Before joining if you think family should change.
before entering if you think it should be "stripped" soul to your directors (priest and director) weekly. think if you are interested in physical mortification (sackcloth and disciplines). think if from that point you should all your relationships with people outside of Opus Dei are "interested" as far as possible (with your boss it will not work, but with your friends at that abandoned if your objective can be achieved), your ultimate goal is that all your friends is also given the opus dei.
God thinks that, unfortunately, in Opus Dei has no business. Everything centers on the father. and as you've read, many people who knew him said he had a character and conduct not exactly a saint. think if you go into your head will not have time to think about your stuff, you have to meet a lot of rules (prayers, Mass, spiritual reading) and when you have a free minute I will teach you to recite ejaculations jobs as a parrot and designed not to God but to the father.
could be giving you reason to rethink whether or not to enter a long time. I hope that what I have written enough material to make for yourself the most appropriate decision. FIRST FREEDOM, but let me give you some advice: If you want to keep your sanity, the opus dei the farther the better. nobody stays indifferent once enters the opus dei. if you decide to walk away, do it in the bud, without explanation, because you're free, and suddenly, you have no obligation to justify your actions (once inside it, every step, every thought, every desire, must be explained and if wrong will be modified to meet the profile set).
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Poor Evaristo, give all sides in this forum ... poor guy, he just likes being contrary. Let him.
As for the messages, I agree with many things but I have no time to react.
What the hairdresser has been funny. But I suppose it is to give them a prompt at the delegation principals or central advisory committee or would like to Christianize at hairdressers and of old Europe or the Americas. The most logical reason that comes to mind is that not knowing where to go for vocations in that city of which you speak, because the truth ... with the times whistling of cash that does not take a lot especially if a girl is well informed. Ok, I continue, said the most logical reason would be to think that as hairdressers spend so much time talking to clients, which "must be taken into account, usually mothers with enough capacity for decision in many ways that affect their family and children .... pues .. is clear! A good hairdresser can do the work muchíiiiiisimo apostolate. No? You can also put together the sheets Hello and other celebrity magazines to read the good ladies.
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So say I, poor Evaristo, who happens to be contrary to the possessor of truth. And then the fundamentalist is the Opus. Well look if Opus have been lifted out almost sick minds that think they possess the truth, headed "thinking" without respect to any claim that what they have experienced is truth, truth, and what other people say is not worth ... then yes you are going to get you start thinking ill of them. Opus saves that one is not there. Besides, now I realize that one of the objectives (do you remember the theme?) Opus is "get" hairdressers. Sure, everyone knows that the threads of power move in the hairdressers. There are forged court decisions, and there, sure, was that this forum is dangerous and are responsible for the blackout. These hairdressers ... Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooder
Finally. Anyway, it would be nice, so I put it, that every offender incarcerated. And legal experts (with some slippage in his new career) confirm this, Democracy denunciéis I would appreciate anyone acting outside the law Declare with name and surname. No you should lie in global and charges through the police court and denounce such that little Johnny is a jerk, and you're given. I tell you seriously. Opus All are free (and responsible) to not accept what they tell the directors, and if not like, you go. And it is free (and responsible) to enter, is free (and responsible) to purchase commitments. And it's free (and responsible), to keep them if you think you were deceived. More than one around here is gone because he felt cheated. Well there it is.
Moreover, if a society can impose penalties for illegalities, that they are imposed. Or even expelled from the country. Tallest towers have fallen, some because of fundamentalisms "haves" of Truth.
Another thing, I wish you would not block all answered me, because I'd like to answer to details that, frankly, now I will not put. More than one thing that was going to say I left out, what are you going to do.
Besos affiliates, fraternal, paternal and foo
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It was someone who made a claim against Opus defamation, libel and slander, and the case died of prescription ... is that the lawyer (excellent lawyer, on the other hand) he passed away "free" periods ...
And with that freedom, anyone can buy at bookstores or libraries available on the books of M ª Carmen Tapia, Maria Angustias Moreno, Alberto Montacer ... Books that are not edited and "freely"... |
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Evaristo, not why, that radiate good energy that follows every good Christian ...
as you do?
not ... that you have deference to the hairdressers, with that affection to which you refer to them ... and not only them but also the awesome deal you have with those "who do you save the opus dei we went through" ... This is the model of Christianity that I'm looking to follow. people like you.
where they teach you to think and feel this way? is admirable, really. dimelo, I will point out!
you left me tenderly... 
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Since the ghosts return ... It is the absolute truth ...
The new truth is that all lawyers are Opus, all judges are of Opus. But there are other better ... ALL libraries are Opus ... All publishers are OPUS ...
I'm not kidding... |
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Not fuck you, nor do I want to fuck. For that I am already well served.
                           
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Could it be true that I took not the subject of hairdressers?
Can anyone compare messages concerning hairdressers or at least discover a lack of respect to someone?
"It was me who made such scorn and derision of the community?
Cabernet, not quiet know what I'm
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So I say, Evaristo poor who can not distinguish between: tell the truth, I am in possession of the truth. As I recall, I never said that, Kid, is in possession of that word, among other things, I am not a dictionary or an encyclopedia.
Evaristo, but your word has many oes jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooder (thirty exactly), does not mean that you read and you better believe, you see mine is forty and that's why you do not convince you, the least, my writing.
Evaristo, I walked with her head very healthy in your holy institution and whether I, as you say, with her sick, it should not be treated like a child of God "whatever it is you do to my creatures to me who you do ", but because it suggested to me that God wanted me mortified by him with sackcloth, discipline, hard bed, alone ... and that Evaristo, have you that the damage to yourself is even worse for you harm others. Well, I do not know whether these physical violence reverberated in my mind, if so, today I believe that with freedom I have been cured, there may not be recovered from the wings that cut me, but I assure you I am no longer alone stumps.
And, how I spent so bad, I would avoid such suffering to those who do not know pitantes possible that they will face, because you are not going in front, do not expect the fish to sink on its own initiative, you will shoot the harpoon and when the fish realizes what is coming up, not to look like a coward, still spinning at the wheel till you drop.
God can not be so sadist to enjoy these offerings of pain, sorrow and loneliness that you you demand.
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I think like poppy q, q be no cruel or minding their own business, I (thank God) I have not become the work, but pco I miss you, but I saw my companions that if they were of the work, and got away, and certainly are suffering, some with mental rolls, and the truth is q very sorry that the opus do that damage. I'm agree with some things in the opus, but with other course I am against such that people can not have healthy friendships and free and frank with everyone, you can not or encariñarte or feel the warmth of your own family of your friends / you of your coworkers, q do not you go grab a coffee with pq Tweedledee you feel like it, etc etc as normal. Q The truth is I think that point is q q q many people make out, at least I think
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Evaristo:
jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooder
I'm not kidding
joer
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That must be your subconscious, which might be something repressed.
Liberate!
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yes, Evaristo, yes.
you treated in a very Christian at hairdressers and at people who we were and that is saved through the opus dei. but read your letter. (seriously you see so distorted reality to not know what you wrote two days ago? mirarselo ... this is for, or actually I think it is right and Christian and has treated these two groups that surprised you even read this?)
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And where is the NUMERARY? Already prohibited from participating? I already said...
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Amapola: maybe I misunderstood, but I thought I read that says that truth is what it is (?) that there is no (?) plans to publish, it is assumed that if you want to publish, or at least you believe in possession it. Come, I say. Then in fact understand you thought you were talking about "our truth" (do not know who that is, yours and many more) so this time I'd open a possibility to create more truths. Well, possibly misunderstood. So forgive me while I appreciate your coat on the subject of jokes: I was already prepared to answer, but will not be necessary.
I am especially interested someone, Ana or whoever, I have found indicate clearly where disrespect to any group. I doubt that someone has insulted listeros much as others around here to refer to judges, lawyers and others. In the previous messages that addressed the issue gave the impression that all the lawyers in Spain were unfair because they locked him up for the Opus.
Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooder. Hala
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This message is directed to these forum members who have a "conversation" in the forum with an alleged cash.
I just want to say I do not understand how they can believe that she is numerary. Do not waste your time. Of course I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure this person is only diviritiendo with you. Maybe it is an ex-numerary who has not overcome the trauma of having left the organization or any other trauma, and then entertains living the "fantasy" of acting and writing as a numerary. It would not be the only former member who is part of the chest to defend the play-and I very much like you do who you want-
I have nothing against it, what is clear. Numerary Whether or not, I wish you much happiness.
Ah, that's really weekly ride sounds horrible. Sounds like a convent. I imagine a group of novices or nuns who have to take a weekly walk through a park, or go hiking in a van by way of entertainment and to give them a little sun on my face. I do not know anyone who lives within the world and have to take a walk weekly. Well, at least wish that those who take a walk because they exploit weekly. It is all very well to walk, what I find ridiculous is the phrase "weekly walk" and above that is a must. Luckily I never had to make weekly trips when I was cash.
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... someone might ask so what's wrong or horrible a group of novices or nuns walking in a park?
You got me there because
I must be dragged some schemes that have instilled in me the work. Whatever cash you know what I mean. Almost every time I heard something about religious was to rejoice that we were not religious, and so on. I think the founder tried all means to an air lay in the Work. I remember hearing at a gathering numeraries years ago reading "complete" in addition to everything else. Do not ask me what are the "complete" because not praying as I entered. But what they said must be something in the newspaper profession do you say it? ... We ... something that is in a missal and usually read the friars. One day it happened that one of his sons went to St. Josemaria and he said something like "where my son comes running" Full praying father "At that time gave him a Blessed stomach cramps due to I just lay on the activities of his son-in-middle-of-world, on the fly decided to delete the complete and the mother who bore them. Ok, this story came to the weekly rides, what good are the Ursuline sisters, what good are, taking us on an excursion.
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| Hello: I am the numerary who seems not to be good because we do not close this sub forum?, Enough of bullshit ... 15 seconds for you |
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