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In reply to an e-mail I wrote this letter to a person who has offered to enter the Opus Dei as a full-time member. Luckily this person, very intelligent, reports before making such a big step.
I take the opportunity to open a forum in case someone else happens the same and want my opinion:
Leete primarily well what is in the forums. no doubt that the experiences of former members do not exaggerate. The important thing is that YOU choose what you do. For that you are lucky (not that we had made the opus before the information age) to have at hand the great Internet.
I can tell you one thing: if you decide to get into the Opus Dei, who will happily that implies. If you manage to do so (which it did not before, you'd find with the practices slowly and if flinch faltabas forward "the house"), if you get it, compare it to what former members say in the forums or ask us by e-mail or the forums itself, whether true or incomplete as you have said.
Opus Dei has a sectarian way of acting. if you think that you will not be able to run your life, or that it is better to blindly obey your superiors what they say without thinking about what you should or not, the sect is your place, is a place where they find you. Otherwise if you like freedom, does not explain "compulsory" for everything you think, feel, want and do not wish to receive orders on how to act in this life (whether for the purpose it is) never and do not enter the opus dei or any other sectarian group performance.
think that once inside your main objective will be to find new vocations ( "capture" new members), work for free for them (they will tell you that "we must sanctify work and then I will give them everything you earn -- for what? to buy new houses, pay travel, keep highlands apartments in different cities, and so on. I assure you that nothing or little ire aimed at eradicating poverty, hunger and plagues that are the real issues that humanity has. maybe , recently found that some people will tell you that each week collects and delivers food to the poor of their city. true, but not its primary objective, I wish it were! the objective behind this activity is: taking advantage of doing something good for society, we do it with a friend @ (if no friend @ NO FOOD DELIVERY, was postponed until someone goes with them) and in a moment of emotion (as is to be with a poor giving food) attempt cause vocation.
He thinks people are trying to convince you that beep (type the letter of acceptance) are good people. only are people who are deceived and blindly follows instructions. once a year have to write a list of three of its San Rafael. have one year to three individuals piten. Imagine how they spend their energies!
once you enter, if you go, you think your blood family is going into the background, your family will be ell @ s. Before joining if you think family should change.
before entering if you think it should be "stripped" soul to your directors (priest and director) weekly. think if you are interested in physical mortification (sackcloth and disciplines). think if from that point you should all your relationships with people outside of Opus Dei are "interested" as far as possible (with your boss it will not work, but with your friends at that abandoned if your objective can be achieved), your ultimate goal is that all your friends is also given the opus dei.
God thinks that, unfortunately, in Opus Dei has no business. Everything centers on the father. and as you've read, many people who knew him said he had a character and conduct not exactly a saint. think if you go into your head will not have time to think about your stuff, you have to meet a lot of rules (prayers, Mass, spiritual reading) and when you have a free minute I will teach you to recite ejaculations jobs as a parrot and designed not to God but to the father.
could be giving you reason to rethink whether or not to enter a long time. I hope that what I have written enough material to make for yourself the most appropriate decision. FIRST FREEDOM, but let me give you some advice: If you want to keep your sanity, the opus dei the farther the better. nobody stays indifferent once enters the opus dei. if you decide to walk away, do it in the bud, without explanation, because you're free, and suddenly, you have no obligation to justify your actions (once inside it, every step, every thought, every desire, must be explained and if wrong will be modified to meet the profile set).
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| Evaristo |
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Ehhhhhhh this is my last message ... damn nick ... or is it the black hand...
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| Evaristo, since you said you were more honest than anyone around here, leaving a suspicion in the air over the participants, you could say who you think has not been. Perhaps I, for example. Do not tell me this is my business. You just can not accuse and leave it at that without specifying them. |
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Evaristo'm with you in what you say you create a pressure group is like doing what you want to counter. Perhaps the term "lobbyist" is not adequate. I just think it would be necessary to create an association that would serve to make people listen to all who in good faith, have been manipulated in such groups as the "Work".
On the other hand the political and unfortunately only provide care to the vote and not the justice of the claims. And that may be legal remedies to the abuses suffered by former members (and even, as protection for those who still are) in economic affairs and, as non-psychological and moral damage, no other choice but to form partnerships for this.
Evaristo, you speak of resentment. There is resentment, it is to repair and reinstate at person in the entirety of his dignity.
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I see insincerity, but retroactively, (takes longer) if any, I will be honest and tell you neither remember nor do I look like now ...)  said he did without question what someone was saying, when there was something inside of him and afraid he could not" face "to the director on duty, and express themselves freely.
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| cabernet |
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Duarte:
I read your message and has caused me a deep impression. I share it and subscribe from the first letter to the last.
I see your suffering caused not only by your personal experience, but also to see your sons and brothers in that great farce diluted.
You're absolutely right when you advise that everyone has to go forward, looking straight ahead - looking at the sky! - Instead of looking down to follow the steps already marked by him whom he would shine his shoes every night buckles silver.
And God, who sees all and knows all, you'll wonder why they put his name to a work that is not theirs. Well, that monster that only breeds fanatics or broken-souls like yours and mine and many others, can not be of God. It is not God.
Un abrazo,
Cabernet.
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| Berto |
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| Hello friends. I am Berto, the friend of children. Evaristo, I like not that critical spirit who constantly practices. So you will not get anywhere. We will see what you put endeavor to obstruct the views sensible. If in civilian life existed fraternal correccción poked you eight or ten in two minutes. I hope this review does not tarnish our ciberamistad flourishing. Bye. |
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| hello: I see that you are cowardly deserter feature of all, you are not the exception ... where are the messages sent before temporarily retiring from this dump? ... I will not rewrite ... prevent its publication because I was unbearable the idea of disseminating the truth about you ... nobody believes you, no one believes, at least if one considers intelligent, a bunch of bitter occupation not have as anything other than distort the facts lived in Opus Dei, nobody believes people using their knowledge, lie about fraternal correction, obedience, proselytizing ... if taken out of context because they lie and exaggerate and "fit" the facts at their leisure, they claim to have lived ... ones, continue to sink into the mud, that no one will read, keep wallowing in the manure, keep lying ... adios ... I hope this message is published |
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hello guest: well yes, you've been lucky, your message has been published and so I answer. I do not like generalizations, that was quite clear as I had to remind one of the forum on several occasions. You too remember. It is not acceptable to come to a public place and call me a coward and tried by the same standard to all staff. Do they know each and every one of us who are here?
As for your lost or deleted messages, what can I say ... I have no idea what because there are many messages, many nicknames, and do not know if you signed with a particular nick or simply with the word "guest". Anyway do not take it as a personal affront, it is true that some messages are lost because there was a problem with the server or something - I do not know explain. Some messages disappeared and then reappeared, finally, it seems that the forum is working again and here it is quiet obvious that there are opinions for and against Opus Dei, do not go to martyr or assaulted by life because if you want sorry to get it. And forgive the irony. You call us bitter, that's fine, thanks. I'll call you bitter. Do not know.
When I was in the play also saw many enemies of the opus and many snares of the devil, but then when you leave the organization-at least in my case, you see things without much drama, at least in my opinion. Well, take care.
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Iggy, I've spent too many lines that the moron and not worth it. But you say you are leaving things without drama ... Are you sure I read those stories of drugs and other trifles?
Berto, Berto, "not value critical thinking? For without tarnishing our ciberamistad my view is that critical thinking is the vehicle to get anywhere in life.
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I answer the GUEST:
I guess you're the vindictive NUMERARY. If you had set it, you would have realized that there were plenty of issues that indicated that the forum did not work and that PAGINAS not come out. Notice that I thought that was the work of the IDEM.
But, no one should be Malpensa (said Hernández de Garnica, SF priest charged with "in these things, you think wrong and short of it), but everything was because during the Christmas holidays are those of Folosoft Piro gave to enjoy them a bit.
Well, welcome back. Yours the liar who is sinking into the mud.
I only wish you not to suffer any disappointment and to live happy inside. See you later. |
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Hello Guest, It's funny, is that I thought that they disappeared echo messages could be because you could not handle my comments criticizing it ... (for example) continued to call Anita who begged you to call him Ana, and it turns out you think (as if we had the power of the almighty Opus), we are the former we have deleted your writing!, jajaja.
You call us cowards, and you what are you?, Is courage to spit venom at the mouth? Does this teach you in your holy place?
Not settled, nor draw from context or exaggerate, what happens is that those who do fit (for they were not going around the world and to grasp better), are the saints directors directors directors of Opus, or be those of the "Olympus". Y. .., to accommodate, it appears that we have what we live for some years, may not coincide with your experiences.
I heard recently (three days), which now are not called and you ladies at "only" numeraries, but look: there is still the tagline "ancillary" to those who have no career and have to be maids all life. I think now also allowed to wear pants at numeraries, and even smoking. Do you think this change chameleon decent, with the sole desire to catch more "fish"? "I like fishing, but fishing submarine, which chase the fish, is a divine thing, I like fishing without bait and no line, that's expected to bite, I will, that I goes, that's expected to bite, I will, I will not. When you see a fish you put in your height, with skill, ease, you shoot the harpoon with marksmanship, caught him then and it's over. "
Your holy brothers, to catch fish, lamb, put on a skin of your soul ditto on wolf change the rules to be changed and accommodate that have to accommodate.
Goodbye, I hope this message is published.
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hello to GUEST:
I will use little time in you, not because you deserve more, but because they feel like it.
tell me, because I always attacking you act? insult allowed in the religion you practice?
I'm sick of saying these sanctified in everyday practice engaged in blatant anti-Catholicism. nobody in the Vatican is studying this? material because the thing is ...
"by their works you shall know ..." for that, if you insult, despise you, they call you a liar and bitter, there's you have are the opus dei.
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Hello everyone, I think it is necessary to comment on the previous message from Guest, for his words express best what we already know.
And on the subject of this subforums ( "beep before), I would advise anyone who is thinking of getting into the aforementioned works, read the message of invitation: if you toot, you become a fanatic, insulting, and poorly educated as he. |
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I warned you. I thought so. You have made too much attention to crap, and he has affected. You are a tad irascible. You have dispatched at ease against an institution because one of its members says nonsense. And then ask arguments? I do not know who said not to generalize, that is what the idiot that does. Sometimes you see the plume, and I still maintain that more than one complaint here does the same thing. This means that I loose a lot of inconsistency. I will not say what the beam and straw ... being misunderstood.
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Evaristo look for if you do not step there. opus dei loves to blame the concrete when it does what the Opus Dei preaches. That is unfair. and is a modus operandi of Opus Dei. when someone complains that he has been coerced to stay at "home" and transcends the thing, it says that "that person" was wrong and that everyone has the right of error that is of Christians falling and all that stuff .. . when the person "coercion" had been doing what his spiritual "priest of the Order of the Holy Cross" and his other directors told him had to do. It's shameful!
you can actually say "that person was wrong? can be given the full burden of his "poor performance" a person who blindly obey the orders of those who say they do not miss the spirit of home and above all "is not nobody going home?
come on, please! that nose! Evaristo was to insult the guest and saying nonsense words, such acts and talks under the instruction received in the talks, circles, and spiritual direction.
Opus Dei leaders permit and barbarities authentic advise their target "for the cause." The reason? TOTAL brainwashed.
who blindly obeys whatever, unfortunately not right in the head, it is not the same, but a puppet of who you send.
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