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In reply to an e-mail I wrote this letter to a person who has offered to enter the Opus Dei as a full-time member. Luckily this person, very intelligent, reports before making such a big step.
I take the opportunity to open a forum in case someone else happens the same and want my opinion:
Leete primarily well what is in the forums. no doubt that the experiences of former members do not exaggerate. The important thing is that YOU choose what you do. For that you are lucky (not that we had made the opus before the information age) to have at hand the great Internet.
I can tell you one thing: if you decide to get into the Opus Dei, who will happily that implies. If you manage to do so (which it did not before, you'd find with the practices slowly and if flinch faltabas forward "the house"), if you get it, compare it to what former members say in the forums or ask us by e-mail or the forums itself, whether true or incomplete as you have said.
Opus Dei has a sectarian way of acting. if you think that you will not be able to run your life, or that it is better to blindly obey your superiors what they say without thinking about what you should or not, the sect is your place, is a place where they find you. Otherwise if you like freedom, does not explain "compulsory" for everything you think, feel, want and do not wish to receive orders on how to act in this life (whether for the purpose it is) never and do not enter the opus dei or any other sectarian group performance.
think that once inside your main objective will be to find new vocations ( "capture" new members), work for free for them (they will tell you that "we must sanctify work and then I will give them everything you earn -- for what? to buy new houses, pay travel, keep highlands apartments in different cities, and so on. I assure you that nothing or little ire aimed at eradicating poverty, hunger and plagues that are the real issues that humanity has. maybe , recently found that some people will tell you that each week collects and delivers food to the poor of their city. true, but not its primary objective, I wish it were! the objective behind this activity is: taking advantage of doing something good for society, we do it with a friend @ (if no friend @ NO FOOD DELIVERY, was postponed until someone goes with them) and in a moment of emotion (as is to be with a poor giving food) attempt cause vocation.
He thinks people are trying to convince you that beep (type the letter of acceptance) are good people. only are people who are deceived and blindly follows instructions. once a year have to write a list of three of its San Rafael. have one year to three individuals piten. Imagine how they spend their energies!
once you enter, if you go, you think your blood family is going into the background, your family will be ell @ s. Before joining if you think family should change.
before entering if you think it should be "stripped" soul to your directors (priest and director) weekly. think if you are interested in physical mortification (sackcloth and disciplines). think if from that point you should all your relationships with people outside of Opus Dei are "interested" as far as possible (with your boss it will not work, but with your friends at that abandoned if your objective can be achieved), your ultimate goal is that all your friends is also given the opus dei.
God thinks that, unfortunately, in Opus Dei has no business. Everything centers on the father. and as you've read, many people who knew him said he had a character and conduct not exactly a saint. think if you go into your head will not have time to think about your stuff, you have to meet a lot of rules (prayers, Mass, spiritual reading) and when you have a free minute I will teach you to recite ejaculations jobs as a parrot and designed not to God but to the father.
could be giving you reason to rethink whether or not to enter a long time. I hope that what I have written enough material to make for yourself the most appropriate decision. FIRST FREEDOM, but let me give you some advice: If you want to keep your sanity, the opus dei the farther the better. nobody stays indifferent once enters the opus dei. if you decide to walk away, do it in the bud, without explanation, because you're free, and suddenly, you have no obligation to justify your actions (once inside it, every step, every thought, every desire, must be explained and if wrong will be modified to meet the profile set).
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Numerary Amiga (I pretend to be, but cast me where is the love of enemies?)
Although I have transcribed this paragraph on "Reforms of Opus Dei", I hope that makes you think about:
"Similarly, in the so-called" spiritual direction "is confined to monitoring the implementation of concrete action rules, without rules and exercise at the deepest capacities of the soul. Those who run and are less people who watch over spiritual wealth of substance, or by achieving the goals, which all but disappeared from the gaze, as compliance with specific rules and regulations. Therefore, it is necessary to provide these people with the special conditions have always been considered necessary to lead others spiritually: no longer needed as teachers of prayer, the good administrative strictly implement the rules laid down by the authorities.
In a recent very comprehensive script on personal talk is in line with what I have said, especially the sincerity and obedience at information received, but e is too little, that the pitch should be actually a talk at that known to the person, with all its oddities and inclinations, and especially that which is principle of being able to say, for example, that someone is in "their place" or that something is "that, theirs."
Consequently, those who rule applies to them the responsibility for maintaining order among people expected, but that this order has the depth of a "spirit" lived, or the completion of the ideal, but only a character somewhat external discipline . It will look both "quality" of training facilities, the monitoring of compliance with established specific indications. This leads inexorably to a transformation of the nature of the drive unit is reduced to the mechanics of a rigid discipline, in which the dimension "human" is assigned exclusively to a very material details of affection and tender, but no real respect at people and their ability to learn and form opinions for themselves. "(LO theological and institutional, Antonio Ruiz Retegui, priest of Opus Dei).
Please Coméntamelo.
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to the attention of the numeraire:
the rudeness with which you have addressed to me Pusey tense. seems incredible that you think YOU THINK AND PEOPLE TRYING SO HALLOWED ARE YOU ... go with the example you give ... do not be offended if you use this intervention in the same tone to address you, but please note that I did not sanctify me in this world and not have to lead by example.
I do not belong to Opus Dei, but could still use hair shirt if I wanted. could still go to church if I wanted. or absurd aspirations could recite in my mind every second I was free if I wanted. similarly, and using the freedom that we now have to say goodbye I pax. if you like, you know! read the "news."
the end justifies the means, that's what I mean. if you do not want to understand these in your perfect right to make you dumb. (I told you it would not respond ...!) you are 100% predictable.
after your last speech which you say you are different from proposing a call to someone, you throw a reminder: the 8th commandment, remember it is? or else: could promise that NEVER TOLD ANYONE HAS ANYTHING LIKE THIS?: "You have a vocation, but now you do not. I do see it, God will not miss it, you have a vocation to Opus Dei"
(think of the 8th before responding) 
and remember that silence gives consent. 
sleeps - in aeternum (for which I do not know what this means: is the greeting and response to salute those who belong to Opus Dei) |
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Hi Anita: I see the opposite in fact these are the papers note that you lost ... I forgive you  Suy efctivamente think differently at the numerary you knew or you were  ... I feel sorry for you, daughter ... I have equal freedom to do whatever you want with your life ... everything falls under its own weight ... ah! if I replied to Pusey as I did, read his speech and that really put on a plate ... do not blame him ... I blame no one, you will note that you can not have fun, give me hurt, I mean  and lovingly ... News reading actually took the fuel needed to go through life happy and relaxed, with Anita because you give me an opportunity to express my joy and my happiness ... ah! no, dear, no, I am aware that I do not miss the 8th, I reiterate what I said in my speech, not that kind of OD has known ... totally different to what I live happily ... that 2003 comes loaded with things better for you |
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Hello Pusey did not want to intervene but for now, you know, I'm tired, but once again I have been tempted to do so.
On the spiritual direction: the talk fraternal and confession with the priest ... I must tell my experience ... diferentea what you paint in your writing ... know? put too many words to explain something very simple ... for spiritual direction in and out of the OD, the advice is understood that a person receives from another person who has received Holy Orders (see "priest of the Catholic Church) is a person who has a grace of God to exercise his priestly ministry, including the address at souls, this is true anywhere and for anyone who is Catholic, may refer to the Catechism of the IC ... in the OD, besides the priest, that the action of the laity, who is to know the sins of all who speak with at all, the action of secular focuses on providing guidance about spiritual life, exclusively, the directed in question. Period. The "targeted" is free to follow or not such advice, obviously you do when you want to improve your relationship with God, his inner life etc ... We see no avocado in a word, this means that we do not complicate it, at least I'm not complicated, right? ... ah! I wanted to mention something that said Anita, sorry to do so in response yours, Ann said something like repeated ejaculations as "parrot ",... I certainly do not repeat well ... ie usually try to do things consistently, if you believe that then I will speak parrot parrot, I think that everyone acts according to what he believes to be ... well I think he had not hurt sensibilities ... Pusey, for you a good year 2003 |
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 Dear guest numerary: never participated in the forum (read only), but watching your actions causes me tell you something:
PAX AND SHELL OF LORA, IN ETERNUM!!!!! |
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numerary hello
my nick is Anne, not Annie, so please do not call me again Anita.
have not answered me, but that falls under the handling ... whether you've ever told someone something like this: "You do not see, but I do. God asks you to give yourself. you have a vocation to Opus Dei. you can not fail to God." YES or NO? (without breaking the 8th, eh!)
I need not apologize, because I did not ask forgiveness or ask you to think of it at any time. TO be clear that I did not ask FORGIVENESS.
so I give you grief?
JUAJUAJAUJAUJAUJAUAJUAJUAJUAJUJUA
Why? to be free?
participants of the forum, a question: someone has met a numerary member of Opus Dei @ not under tension ALL DAY? because here the numerary said to live relaxed ...
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numerary hello
my nick is Anne, not Annie, so please do not call me again Anita.
have not answered me, but that falls under the handling ... whether you've ever told someone something like this: "You do not see, but I do. God asks you to give yourself. you have a vocation to Opus Dei. you can not fail to God." YES or NO? (without breaking the 8th, eh!)
I need not apologize, because I did not ask forgiveness or ask you to think of it at any time. TO be clear that I did not ask FORGIVENESS.
so I give you grief?
JUAJUAJAUJAUJAUJAUAJUAJUAJUAJUJUA
Why? to be free?
participants of the forum, a question: someone has met a numerary member of Opus Dei @ not under tension ALL DAY? because here the numerary said to live relaxed ...
I sincerely hope ANSWERS... |
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Hello Guest: we said to speak soezmente na, you have no way of letting you read? ... I forgive you, do not cry 
Dear Anita: I call it this because I like it, ana, sounds strong, devoid of sweetness that is precisely loq ue I impregnate my messages ... see, dear, pity me not miss the 8th as I tell my friends when I habloa proselytizing?, look exactly and without failing in sincerity as you want, I say: hey, this is a matter between you and God, Pray, talk to him and asks enterate if you surrender to Him only you will decide, only you, only you, only you with God ... that's what I say and that's what I told my ... seems that you were different, injures daughter ...
ah! about "pax", which will be clear that I care a pickle if you say it or not, I comment because I smelled of nostalgia ... a certain nostalgia ... which, of course! can not be!
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Complementing at indications of Anna, I recommend the following page which contains the testimony of an ex-numerary, directed especially to whom made the invitation to be of the Work:
http://www.opusdeilibros.com/libros/marie_claire.htm
NB The testimony from 1988. |
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Numerary Hello: I had made the determination not give court because: "a foolish words deaf ears," in this case blind eyes, but I like my fries purpose.
I would not hurt but I know that, write what you write, you will not because you wear a shell what is it that can harm you more than your lack of freedom? Because of this I have come calluses on his soul. As you have no charity for yourselves how the are going to have with others?
Ana tells you "please do not call me again Anita" and you, undaunted, he replied: "I'm calling because I like it because it sounds strong and Ana lacks sweetness" sweetness? Have you carefully read your writing?, If that is sweet, from now on, instead you add sugar to my coffee bitterness.
You end by saying that Anne and I feel sorry you feel homesick. Longing for freedom yours lost, do not say no because you note, you do not know how much you note! I can see it in your sentences full of bitter pain What do I know that are full of pain? because they only write with intent to injure, the anger you feel for your situation, the downloads on the others: I suffer, because suffering worldwide.
Open your eyes, hustler and break your chains, but if you can, keep it just for you.
  
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Hello everyone, I am familiar members of Opus Dei and when can I register so I will identifique.Ante I congratulate you and wish you all the best in this new year comienza.Algunos participants from here you are cool and you command my admiration and Iggy cariño.Citaré
2002 Lola Amapola (37) etc whose stories have made me excited and in other cases sánamente.Mi laugh more respect to the cases in which relatais that there is moral and even physical suffering, and in the aftermath they can stay. I turn now to ask if the guest numerary in spiritual direction with a Catholic priest and admitted this confession with anyone, or be of Opus Dei, for that to wash their dirty linen in casa.Besos everyone with paternal feeling, because I am greater and father of a partner because it is God. |
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numerary for
OK, then call me Anita. I accept it, but it is clear to all involved or read the forum: this is the way to become practicing SANTOS OPUS DEI. I tell him I bother to call me Anita, and a member tells me to step fully his life, his actions, his thoughts on what "they" called to become saints and love your neighbor (ahem): "I call as I want, but bother you ... " (not only love those who follow you roll?)
someone suggests?
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numerary I took the one week old in the forums. the forums have not worked, but now they do!
to see if he comes to answer what is asked. because it gives me the impression that the directors already have banned or "advised" to stay away but for here ... how sad ... Hope I'm wrong!
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| Yes, Anna seems that our friend numerary been told that "it would be good" not mess with us who, apart from go to hell and not "give a dollar for our soul," the girl could reach think for themselves and that would jeopardize his "vocation". |
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Surprise your obsession that black hands in everything that happens around you. And what if he no longer feels like such a numerary to participate? More than one has been going down the forum (or seemed to be falling) and no one has pre-supposed that his wife or husband has had to leave that to address other matters.
Do not compliquéis the vidaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that is hermosaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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