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Published on 05 December 2002 at 17:19:54
When looking for the overcoming of the person, when you want to be a better Christian, whatever means is valid.
Opus Dei is one of many, with ideas about how to achieve the holiness to which we were called from before birth.
The only happiness we can achieve when we are at peace with itself noostros with our conscience, and above all with him
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Hi Jure. I am Berto, the friend of children. I do not know if you did it on purpose, but you've tetratado. Indeed, Jure, the Opus Dei "everything is valid", from manipulation to lie, so to follow what the play says it notes that tell him what is he, but what the work says. Under the same apígrefe of "Anything goes" have committed atrocities in the hsitoria thousand. And in the same Opus Dei has come straight from the centers to the couches of people at that psychiatrists have tried to bend precisely because "everything is valid". How sad. Bye.
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Too bad that talk without knowing the background. God has given us the ability to discern between what is good and what is bad. Unfortunately, we believe everything we say .....
The isolated experiences can not speak for the general. If things were really as bad as you say, there would be many who are happy to belong to this movement.
Greetings and God bless you!!
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Jure, maybe even you did not notice (and perhaps not ever do it), but I tell you that Opus Dei manipulates people, you "work consciousness" ... but the saddest thing the people who ago, or members of the opus, in general are good people, fanatical with the "alleged divine inspiration" of the founder, which I think was unfortunate and was mad as a hatter, mad with cravings include, for power, popularity ....
I know it's hard what I'm saying, but what I feel...Lola icq: 172943141
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When you want to be a better Christian, any method is valid whenever the Gospel.
If you read what the Gospel of Mark 23, Jesus said "In the chair of Moses, have sat the Scribes and Pharisees. You must therefore do and keep what they tell you, but do not imitate the works, because they say and do. They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on the shoulders of others, but they will not do for a finger to move them. All their deeds are to be seen of men. enlarge their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels; likes the best seat in the hall, and the first row in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by men. But you do not call rabbi for yourselves, for one is your Master, and all ye are brothers. FATHER You must call anyone on earth, for one is your Father, WHICH IS IN HEAVEN ..."
I think that on comments.
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| Berto |
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Hello, friends. I am Berto, the friend of children. Following the argument above by Alvaro I would like to express my amazement, because even today I continue to amaze me of how Opus Dei is able to twist the reasons to the point where the Gospel says that white they are clearly able to say black. That's right: that calling black white. Cool. If Jesus clearly says "no one but you will call your father Father who is in heaven" in the Work, not bother to conceal that they call "father" founder and vice chairman. It is well known that directly and do finds in the tomb of the founder. With two balls. And then, to explain that this is not in contradiction with Jesus' words turn to each more preposterous explanations. And so on. I remember with a smile how I took out of their boxes to a director who attended me in the chat. I told him why those who were leaving the work left them lying, when Jesus had made clear in the parable of the Prodigal Son that God, and by extension, anything that refers to him, is open to forgiveness and not let any child of his own. At the end of the discussion, as this had no case manager told me red with rage: "Bert, you're warming up." Hilarious.
NOTE TO FOOTNOTES: Ever since week and a half ago the blackout of the forum I see that we are all very glanders. See if hustlers, friends, there are still many things to discuss. Not for or against the Work, but "on" the Work. So I put the batteries.
ANOTHER NOTE TO FOOTNOTES: This is for Ulysses and Evaristo. Osa ask you, friends who do not get involved in disqualifications. More than anything because we leave the topic. Both are good guys. Take my example, my goodness that I've earned the nickname "the friend of children". Tironcete both ears and a pat courageous advocate that you should follow your own ideas in this forum. Bye. By the way, does anyone know what happened to Lucy? |
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Berto if not, I'm surprised that no nothing of Lucy? full will be devoted to the foundation that is planning to erect.... |
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| pusey-2 |
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Marc, a former cooperator, neo-temporary, if I had known everything has been said, there would have been so stupid (or can do it, who knows) to get involved in Opus Dei.
So if something does not quite understand is this dismissive attitude that you, with Evaristo and some other people you show to have suffered in the flesh cruel experiences as a product of structures of sin like that Opus Dei established at its EFFICIENCY day just for (yes, structure of sin: and you will pass a paper by Antonio Ruiz Retegui, numerary priest recently died, to me by a member of this forum).
Yo, what I want is that while the Work defend it as a mother, if you have opportunity and influence, promováis reforms in the institution so that it is indeed an Opus Dei and not an Opus diaboli as I feared that it could Founder convert. |
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Dear friends (those of children, girls, all in general)
Forgive me if I do not go to the rag lately so masterfully that tendéis me some, but for personal reasons prevent me from devoting to this computer. For a few days I will be off line this (those who say Telefónica) But as I argue at Opus, Telefonica, where you send some "infiltrated" neocooperador, I hope that soon sent home to the operator that I put the cables.
While ... You really have contempt or disdainful attitude, with bad experiences of others? JAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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