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Hello,
http://opusdei.port5.com/
on this page you can read online books about Opus Dei, some hard to find. I wish to put out of print.
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Despite not being full, I suggest reading the book by Carmen Tapia. We read in one sitting and I loved.
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Spectacular book Ma del Carmen Tapia, I read in an afternoon ... you get caught, especially if you lived similar situations and know it's like that (although at the moment I do not want to see). I found it interesting addition to this "mental exercise" to remember some anecdotes that told us "our father" always praising their "virtues" and fit into the story of Maria del Carmen ... that is, seeing them from the other side ... It is amazing how naive I was!! (actually many things does not shut, but not allow me to even think). One thing, what I fucked is what counted the letters, who did not read !!!!!! That bastard! (excuse the expletive) and all that make us believe that to read them all!! There is the mess of manipulaciķpn !!!!! (Just feel a joy reassuring to remember that only I wrote a letter to the father, in a relationship, once in years!!!!!! )
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| A purpose of the book, in speaking of one Don Antonio Perez Tenessa, who was a senior. Does anyone know anything more about it? |
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With regard to Mr. Tenessa, on an old theme about priests who left the work, indicates that this ex-priest is a member of the State Council, and that in the book Oral History of Opus Dei, Moncada, is her experience.
Speaking of pages, I recommend the following:
http://es.geocities.com/mostalla/mental.html
which is on the Neocatechumenal Way, you will see that there are many similarities with the OD with respect to the role of catechists (such as guards), to the sincerity / guilt complex and the divinity of his way, which promises to those who persevere in his salvation.
Another thing also is the lack of transparency in the management of monetary funds.
After reading this page and others on the Kikos, Legionnaires, etc ... and before they receive official support from the Pope, I'm wondering if the Catholic Church is not going to end up eaten, but it is already, by all these movements of sectarian complexion.
In this sense, when I was at work at first, with my "enlightenment" did not understand the people who said the play was a cult. One day I bought the Madrid daily ABC. In your Religion page almost every day writing an article on Martin Barefoot priest, now deceased. It was called "sects". It was the time when the national audience he persecuted the Church of Scientology. However, he warned that Catholic groups can also become sects, for example, demonizing the output by the danger of damnation, as the only approach to establish the institution's books ... etc. He attracted wide attention and led me naturally to wonder if I was not one of them also. Well, that day I go to the Center for Aggregates, see ABC, well, with great surprise I find myself torn the page where the article appeared ... The director would have ripped and torn pages are girls in bathing suits.
Well, shortly after I read a book on cults of the editorial Salvat. There was no talk of Opus Dei as such. However, I found so many parallels with, continually had to suppress that evidence as if they were impure thoughts.
Well, with all that I mean those who follow in the Church, the ghost of the sects will pursue us even in our parishes. Something must be done. |
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Hello Pusey. I am Berto, the friend of children. Since leaving the inner harbor convinced that Opus Dei is very timid and is always seeing danger for its members. Fears that paradoxically are compatible with such phrases as "you are not hothouse flowers. Again, from words to action. I tell this because my I missed something perhaps more shocking than yours with the ABC article.
As you all know, and if I tell you, in the Work of books there is a rigid index and you can only read those who have the approval. There are however certain books that is responsible for delivering school library without consultation because it is well known as safe for their content. Don Quixote, for example. Well, since the early 80's on the shelves of my school library was the book "1984" Orwell. We all had access to it and many read. He arrived in 1984 (which gives the book its title) and the volume became fashionable. But oh surprise, suddenly came a note of these internal why this work was withdrawing from the common reading. Disappeared from the shelves, basically.
As many of you know, the plot of the novel "1984" Orwell describes a fictional society in which the life of its inhabitants is controlled by the "big brother" at all times aware of every movement of the members of that society. Nobody can escape their control, and trying to do will be subject to harsh reprisals.
Obviously this assumption may have connotations literary life within the Work. However, if the work removed from their shelves this book to prevent its members to read, is not being recognized in some way that has implemented the system which is exposed in the book? Bye |
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Very good attempt to preserve his identity, Berto, but as you say: Just because you withdraw the book and warns those who, like you would realize the maneuver.
A few days ago I told (disappeared with the blackout) and trying to warn us against what we might hear or read about the Marquis de Peralta gave us the news of the "wrong" which had armed buzz around this issue. Conte also that of not having tried to "put the band before the wound," I'd never heard anything since my school was on the field and, if it ever came, was always accompanied.
This story, as you all, are the key to their frustrated attempts to hide their true intentions, though, unfortunately, only know (and not very well) the tip of its iceberg. Chao.
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Dear Berto, a friend of mine and of all children.
I do not think the "withdrawal" of 1984 is being recognized in some way that has implemented the system which is exposed in the book. If so had been withdrawn some time before. And compare this with the literary course in the Work Life seems ridiculous.
As ridiculous as out of context that there are books that are banned in Opus Dei. Due to my morbid passion for reading in Opus and outside it, read what I always felt like it. In other words, no big deal.
And without going any further, the page you recommended at the beginning of this discussion, I thought I read that all opinions are welcome except those coming from the Opus Dei itself. Eye, which I do not mind. And it shows that it is not so strange. You yourself know that if any of this forum pillara aa child with Camino, it would remove him from the hands and would miss fire.
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15 December de 2002 at 12:55:58
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Evaristo, I'm married to a supernumerary, and of course, not take away my child to any book of Way, even I expected my children to go to Schools Opus, because her mother wants it and be given good education . Another thing is that when they ask me I will give my opinion.
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Don Evaristo, tells the perfidious of Maria del Carmen Tapia, in his book "After the Threshold" ( "will this book on the Index of Opus?," You should be given the sick beats reading Evaristo Contreras?) That a of its work when he was in Rome as secretary of Big Brother San Mariano, was that when someone important was going on the agenda, sought the photos or comments (circular) where was this person and his image was deleted or its name (photos included ), and were sent back and refined documentation.
What do you think Contreras? "Sound familiar?
Oh, by the way, when I read the chapter on the return to Rome Carmen Tapia's book, I was impressed. Is it true?. That pig was a saint only Mariano.
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I love Pussey tell me da status send the kids to school Opus?
And then I criticais booklets for a library that can not be read, there hay hay hay |
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Hello, friends. I am Berto, the friend of children. Contemplating a "moment Evaristo" as it has given us three or four messages before I reconciled with my life is not always happy. But, Evaristo, boy, then, why removed "1984"? Can not find parallels between work and life in a totalitarian system like that criticizes Orwell? Look, I'll explain what I think happened. Until that year the book of yore had past or fu ni fa. Moreover, Orwell would have condemned the Marxist system. For Opus Dei, icing on the cake. But what happen? Well that was 1984, which was dubbed "the year Orwell" and it became fashionable. In my heart I solicitabamos all. So far, reliable data. From now on, my guess: I'm in the nose that more than one and more than two and more than three saw many parallels between the society described in the book "1984" and the organization of the work. Which have, Hayles, but not insist on saying no. Even if I had time to read it again to get you out of the book elements that have a perfect translation to the life of the Work. And they must communicate. I guess that would trigger the notice of the authorities of the Work at greater heights. They decided it was "convenient" its not reading. Another act of freedom with which it lives inside. Evaristo, beloved friend, balance your criticism because no one can say that London is the capital of Italy.
In addition, following the argument of the story of the Marquis of my good friend Poppy, the funny and tell you about 1984, to complete a Short Circle (which only had the name short. What coņazo) we were told that TVE was to issue this Friday in a program dedicated to key the Work. In that announcement we were forbidden to see him, obviously. Circle Nobody knew anything, but I, at least, I went home that Friday to see him. Putting the wound bandage anstes got the opposite effect. Well, I get tired of typing. Bye. I'm going to watch TV. Do you do anything good tonight? |
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I do not understand what gives you grace, Marc, does tolerance?
On the 1984, remember that this book was labeled with a 2, ie for people who are educated in a list that ran to the 5 and
1, without inconvenience,
2 trained persons
3, contrary to the moral elements, but that just cause can be read.
4. Contrary to Catholic morality, only serious case could be read.
5. Matched to the index of forbidden books.
By reading a book of number 4 or 5 could be lead to the expulsion if the reading gave rise to scandal (ie, by the fact it was known publicly that they read without permission) and after 2 warnings are still reading.
I understand that is particularly counterproductive ban readings, which allow read what you want, but that in the long run, since short-term, which is the approach that considers Opus at people (they are interchangeable, hence the need for new vocations to offset defections) can not be docility, good spirit (or lack of critical thinking) if the information you are not properly screened. But eventually, when one realizes that what has taken as valid and incontestable not be maintained, you may be suffering quite a strong impact not know if it can bring to bear opusino old cynicism and disbelief. Because, despite what is said, is based on the work of faith in our hearts, but on the outside of compliance.
In this regard, when I tried joining another Catholic group after my disappointment, something that stopped me was that they also practiced the sieve of the readings (and that was a very ecumenical and liberal). This is food for thought. |
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Excellent We were the Stio of us!
Evaristo, I'm not married to any temporary - thank God the brain and other things I still work fine - but I agree with Pusey in the topic of the readings. To your surprise, in the vast library of my home I Way, Furrow, The Forge and Friends of God. All mixed Theilard works of Chardin, Spinoza, Meister Eckhart, Giordano Bruno, Martin Luther, Schoppenhauer, Documents of Vatican II, Krishnamurti, Dalai Lama, Bhagavad Gita, Joseph Campbell, Gonzalez Faus, etc, etc, etc.
Ergo, I have no blame on you Nigun my children read the books they want. Amid tamaņana variety and richness of feeling and intelligence, intellectual poverty of the scribe, his pedestrian language and authoritarian neurosis stemming from his writings are obvious grossly.
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17 December de 2002 at 09:12:11
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Lucy, why do you accuse me of being like a goat?
I have to say that in my decision to marry a girl supernumerary had everything against it, but I loved her, and she loves me very much, and thank God, has its own criteria (and in this respect has progressed considerably since it is me), he knows everything that happened to me knows that I participate in the forum and although we have differences of thought, we understand the passage.
She tells me that your environment has many supernumerary who think like her, anyway I will not elaborate because I do not want to harm or to be with her in her heart. |
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| From my point of view, humanity posed in 1984 is a society we're headed in general. What is clear is that, first Opus has control standards that could be compared with those shown in this book and could have been counterproductive to its interests that comparison, and secondly that Opus is one of the organizations that is driving this road to a free society with a critical and thorough survey of the population. |
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