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For me, that I specie, the aggregates were largely unknown (I refer to the peculiarity of his vocation). When I Pite not even know there was another chance to live this vocation but without "family life".
Now that I am of the work, even for simple curiosity, I wonder how they have added to their vocation is to be added.
What is so peculiar a person or their circumstances to be added to raise cash rather?
How do they see the calling of cash? Do we have any cases in this forum of someone who would be cash and told to aggregate beep?
And what are these peculiarities of character or whatever, that make a NSF could or should not live in "family"
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Dear Iggy, I explained that the aggregates are the people that a physical defect or disease could never be numerary.
I reserve (I will not be hard) the opinion on this.
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| cazuelo |
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| Iggy: That information is absolutely false (not saying that what you say is false, but which he said was not correct). Even the traditional compartmentalization of cash = university degree, college Added = No it is not true. Most added that I knew (and myself) attended. In the physical defects and neither came from sheer stupidity. Opus Dei has critical things, not just that. Greetings. cazuelo |
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| Iggy: That information is absolutely false (not saying that what you say is false, but which he said was not correct). Even the traditional compartmentalization of cash = university degree, college Added = No it is not true. Most added that I knew (and myself) attended. In the physical defects and neither came from sheer stupidity. Opus Dei has critical things, not just that. Greetings. cazuelo |
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| Alvaro |
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Is not there a statute, regulation or something in writing, showing how the different categories, rights, duties, functions and hierarchy of the members of Opus (Director, cash, temporary, added, auxiliary, etc).?
In an organization where everything is so regulated and standardized (standard normal not), I imagine that at least there will be circular, although diffusion was restricted to members of staff.
I have read that the work has a pyramidal organizational structure, with the Father at the top of the pyramid. How is the rest of the structure up to the base (cash and aggregates)?.
An affectionate greeting to all.
Alvaro
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| iggy |
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01 November de 2002 at 14:04:26
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cazuelo, do not know what false information you speak. Perhaps your message was directed to someone else but you mentioned my name. I have not given any information, just opened this debate with a series of questions for you to give me information, not vice versa.
And my interest is not someone tell me or send me the statutes of the work. I said it clearly: my concern is that any addition or ex-added the forum tell me first hand, how did you see that he had just added vocation.
I hope this time I have explained my bad. |
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| Lola2002 |
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I also explained that the aggregates were prevented from living in schools and therefore did not ... disability, health, or family, professional ... I never said more than that, but I remember 2 added pointing (never booed): big kids, college-educated (a Doctor of Law and the other was a doctor), but because they were bigger, and "could not get used to living in a center" (remember those words as textual)
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01 November de 2002 at 14:59:20
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| iggy: thousand apologies. My answer was-obviously-for you, but for 37. I reiterate my forgiveness. Cazuelo. |
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| Invitado |
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What makes a numeraire that does not make an addition? Or rather, do aggregates are released? Of the economic contribution? I know not. Rules of celibacy, of proselytism? ... either.
So?
Who decides which will be cash and which aggregate and under what criteria? this can be called divine calling?
This is yet another mystery for we were "home". |
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| Evaristo |
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I remember that, over time, each found its proper place in Opus Dei. You really never know any cash that was first added and vice versa, or a temporary cash that was then and vice versa? Could you provide names of all the possible variants. Why? No idea. I remember it said based on availability. I imagine that everyone would become what he wanted.
Casserole care what you say any, as to contradict him, you can call largemouth 
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| Look, Evaristo: I do not know if you were in Opus Dei or the Claretian (say). Because the release of a happy frightening. How so? What could happen to aggregate cash or vice versa, or temporary, and, at best, as usual, and ultimately "everyone found their place '? Look, kid: I do not know where you lived Opus Dei, but I fell to my lot was much more in, so to speak, seriously. In the "mine" to each one saying "what" had to whistle and had to accept it. Were very few exceptions (two that I remember specifically) in which an aggregate was allowed to be temporary, and that excepcionalísimas circumstances. I myself, when I raised my departure, I told them if I could be temporary: the answer was a resounding NO. Evaristo, please get informed before speaking, you can go to offend the intelligence. Cazuelo |
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| Evaristo |
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01 November de 2002 at 19:05:25
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That's what I feared, who was confused and I was in the house of Big Brother. Reading some of the "historiasparanodormir" is said in this forum, is to doubt (my first speech in this forum the issue here)
In the study center had been blown up four supernumerary. Several of which was ascribed by some year my school became supernumeraries. I spare you the names for obvious reasons. They told me that if I wanted to be, and I said no. I even said they were cooperating, but I told them either.
And calm down, your mind can rest easy with me, my style is not offensive.
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01 November de 2002 at 22:12:47
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Can a stag parties be temporary or is just for married people, the possibility of assistance / to?
I wonder vocation is a grace from God, freely choosing one is called and chosen?
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| cazuelo |
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Without these letters are supported by any document (I know) and being my very personal opinion (I stress), the general rule that I believe apply to the Work is that when going from less to more in delivery (ie , at a supernumerary Numerio, for example) was "relatively" easy transfer. But when things arise in terms opposites (that is, temporary cash or added to) put themselves some incredible obstacles, if not insurmountable. In the latter case, I keep pouring my very personal opinion, or the circumstances justified ESBA thing that I would qualify as "exceptional, or not possible. All this, again, is my opinion of how I saw things. Cazuelo  |
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| marc |
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It is like starting because after insult me say that I am authoritarian, but he says 37 is not so, the aggregates are like cash in all, the contribution of money, rules, everything all unless for special circumstances such as they are only children and support of parents living with their parents, or have someone at home sick, or late vocation would find difficult to live in a center, or because they have positions of great responsibility as judges, ministers and by that circumstance could not make family life in an institution or because they are also successful professionals who have to travel a lot and can not live in the center and the truth I will not argue more but I wonder tanit were 37 and Opus Dei in the same but different at all.
Another issue if you can move from temporary to aggregate and / or cash, but not vice versa if you're cash and leave is very very very difficult it may be temporary it takes decades.
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It seems that attracted some attention the issue of economic aggregates and their contributions as well as differences with the Fellows. From what I saw and understood, an NSF has exactly the same dedication that a cash (celibacy, commitment, time commitment, compliance, except ....) who do not live in Opus Dei houses. Another difference is that usually the Fellows (who do live in houses of the Work) which were assigned the functions of government, although I have seen cases where aggregates were part of local councils of certain centers. I think that the existence of aggregates is justified by reason of operation: the work could not have as many houses as to accommodate as many residents (this is what I think, of course). More differences: all Fellows should have careers; aggregates not required to have it, although being added does not prevent a university education (in fact, encouraged in my heart for all estudiásemos).
On the economic contribution of cash and units is EXACTLY the same: it delivers all the Work. What happens is that, as before explained Marc, aggregates live in the house of their parents (usually) and that house carries a fee on those who must face. So everything added after entering in the box OPUS DEI all their income, get what you need for expenses you have in your home. Obviously, as numeraries live in dormitories of the work need not make any money after delivery because they have that particular expenditure. Therefore, at least I think so, the supply of money aggregates and Fellows is the same. Another thing is the temporary, usually married (not all either) that they do is provide a small monthly amount that I think about 10% of what they earn. I hope this has served some purpose, though, I blur, maybe in any of the information I could be wrong. Cordial greetings. Cazuelo. |
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