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Published 11 June de 2002 at 17:42:23

Hi, I'm new to this forum and my name is Jordi.Mi problem is as follows:

I have a friend who goes to college and have strong opus mental and psychological problems for 7 years.The tells us that nothing happens, that depression and paranoid personality syndrome are diseases of the century, but the truth is that their behavior goes beyond that. The truth is we do not know how much you put in the sect, but we realized despite his lies about some strange behaviors. The problem is that we know nothing of Opus Dei, and therefore we can not relate what they do with the activity of the opus, and that is where I seek your help. I'd like to respond to these issues, things that we own or have tried hace.Nos inform several sites, but none really spoken out on the subject, and also here in Spain do not know if the issue is so serious as it seems in South America.

1. He often told us that attended the dentist every Friday. At some point, began to seem very strange, and decided to follow him without seeing us. We discovered that was not going to the dentist, and every Friday I went to a different place. After much talk with him, told us they were several briefings on current issues for people of the opus. That if such permission newspaper director to explain how the production was a physician to inform technological advances etc ... I have wondered about the veracity of his claims, but insists even so upset that tells the truth, and neither will eat the coconut and it repeats that are very good people. However, never misses one of these talks as "educational", however much they insist.
The question is can anyone tell us about these talks, and behind them, here in Spain? How the issue?

2. Feel animosity toward women. Until recently (now 24) did not even know that women feel sexual pleasure. We tried to make him see that he was wrong, and when we told him verbatim "listening friend, women feel like you" began to turn red as a tomato while shouting "do so out of necessity need !!!!!!!! ". seen as a precondition for marriage virginity of women, and considers any girl prostitutes having premarital sex, I felt" disgusted "by couples who show affection for the street without being casadas.También appears against nudist practices and of course homosexuality. Can anyone explain the ideals of the opus to the woman and if they are so radical?
3. It has a visceral hatred of poverty. Also neglected and even put obstacles to people with disabilities. "Ideology of the sect also?
4. When we go to movies, places special emphasis on knowing exactly the movie we will see, coming to lie about who has seen a movie to avoid seeing it, and in many films at specific times, rises and is directed to the washbasin citing intestinal problems for periods ranging from 30 minutes to 1 hour. are there any movies and books banned by the opus?
5.Muestra Obsessively claros.Considera directly to the eyes than someone with a shade of eyes clara.De fact, looking to have a clear-eyed girlfriend, and says that when he goes to sit in Nordic countries a superior environment. Feel animosity toward any stranger than Nordic. We wonder if the theme of light eyes is some kind of value or importance in the cult, because he has never had contact with any current traditional neo-Nazi, do not know where it goes.

Thank you very much and see if we get something clear from all this and still can help. The truth is that he has thought about suicide several times.

Jordi

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Published 11 June de 2002 at 20:42:19

So having your friend is not well mentally ... There are some things that are of Opus, but he normally acts (beyond opus) ... Let there be treated.
For example, it's true about excessive care for the movies, but the blue eyes is a delirium of your friend, just as lie and say that going to the dentist ... (these meetings are "formative" but what would be logical to invite you so that you too go, do not you lie with excuses ... it is also a sin!) Surely he is not the opus (because if it is half played they will not accept), but he loves the structure, its scratched.
Luck!
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Published 13 June de 2002 at 15:09:09

Y? How was your friend? Do not write more.....

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Published 14 June de 2002 at 15:56:53

Hello, because the truth is that as you will understand I need more information, all we've got to clear is the banned films and stuff, but I would like to know which specific movies or that type, and more on training meetings (to which, incidentally, it has invited me to go), and more on the points I put up. That is, I need to know how to put it is, and as I can not ask directly because he is embarrassed to say to me that I am totally not antireligión to look like a fool's ass for being in one of these sites, the idea is catching irle for certain behaviors that I had and now has probably acquired in the sect. I wish someone told me more exactly every point, then it could attack directly. Not that you "touch" has a strong depression with consequent diversion typical paranoid advanced cases, but it is increasingly common (sadly, almost 27% of the population suffers). The question is not whether they will accept it this way in the opus. The point is that these ideas are the opus, which have gradually destroyed (studying at a university in the opus). If many ideas and behaviors are the opus, that'd be glad because then I would be right, and do everything possible out of that environment. If not, it's up to him, but I'm in the nose that all these ideas (say women deflowered lost when a gleam in his eyes, which are like cookies to be reached without chewing marriage) are not theirs, and so I need a confirmation that I'm cierto.Si someone has a little more extensive information, I would appreciate comment take a few minutes, even faster, the points one by one I put. Thank you all.

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Published 14 June de 2002 at 21:06:36

Hi Jordi:
Regarding your questions and doubts about the opus step detallarte:
1. Lying to where you go. If you are frequently lie to friends to keep their questions do not "stray from the vocational path. Many times you lie for fear of incomprehension or ridicule.
2. Talks: Are the talks dealing directament of religious or spiritual issues, all very seasoned it with fear, hell, guilt, sins of the flesh (sex) and so on.
On the other hand are the talk of everyday issues such as Sports, Technology, Fashion, Cars, Politics, History, Economics, etc.. All these lectures are used as "hook" to catch a non-religious side the head and the enthusiasm of many young people who then invite meditation, retreats, etc...
Say: The wolf in sheep's clothing ....
2. Women at enmity. He preaches the permanent rejection of the opposite sex, this is common both in the centers of men and women.
Even thinking about someone of the opposite sex is very dangerous and "certainly" will lead to carnal temptation to commit impure acts.
The Fellows / as should have all impure thoughts (normal attraction to the opposite sex) on pain of eternal damnation.
The rejection of the opposite sex will be more or less depending on the depth of psychological problems warranting a tenured priests and those around you.
3. I hate poverty. Do not preach that to my knowledge. What is clear is that very few poor people belong to Opus since its founding objective is to capture the elite because from there you can rule the world down. Ergo: In practice it is almost like hating the poor....
4. Film & Sink. Part of his problem will be partly psychic and paranoia that deepen as the opus sects in emotionally weak people, as you present to your friend.
5. Books: Can not read any book without first authorized by the priest or director of the place you frequent. And no matter if it's a must-read book to pass a test at school or college. If it is forbidden, is prohibited. But read it and go to Hell, not

So are their own colleges and universities....

6. Suicide. You should see a specialist in psychiatry...

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Published 15 June de 2002 at 23:46:23

If your friend goes to the movies with you (well, go is a way of saying, because it really goes to the bathroom) should not be cash (because they go to the movies, because there you can not do "ministry") must be temporary or San Rafael (how old are you ?)
Any movie that has a minimum scene (albeit implied) sex can not see, idem those with revolutionary ideas or somehow attacking the Church or some point of faith (or minimal and subtle attack). .. opus At each site there are lists of films that can be seen and not (as with books).
The spiritual training sessions are called "circles" ... probably also want to dance (it's not considered a holy place, which incites to sin and lust).

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Published 15 June de 2002 at 23:52:56

Jordi, you can find information on WWW.ODAN.ORG is in English, but just look in the google search engine, and offers the possibility of translating it. Even has a wealth of information ... there are other pages like that you give to the "Catechism" opus dei (ie, statutes and practices of all members). If you do not find, let me know, you look and the way you directions. There is another that is WWW.opusdei.com (make no mistake, it is the official dot org) LUCK!!!!!

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Published 16 June de 2002 at 00:43:22

the web is www.Opusdei.com (Opus con mayúscula)

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Published 18 June de 2002 at 18:56:36

Jordi, describe everything that I've lived very closely. I could tell you many things, but I'm afraid. Very afraid.
My boyfriend was involved in Opus until recently.
I have enough information on the subject. If you leave a contact form I will provide you more private data I have (which I warn you that not many, because in this world is incredible secrecy)
All the data you've said, or nearly all, agree exactly with what I've lived.
Except in one subject, the cinema. Opus members can go to the movies, but can only watch the movies that the organization sees fit. The same applies to literature, history, and all means which may make them think for themselves.
As for the accounts of racism that is very true. They are against anyone who is not Spanish, and Nordic countries. Praised Hitler and have it as a great person who did many good things.

There are several types belonging to the opus.

In writing you only one thing I do not block, if you give me a way to contact you and tell you all what I have lived and seen the threats, both me and his family, and so on.

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Published 19 June de 2002 at 04:40:47

First of all thank you very much everybody, I read your messages, and so many things alejandra says match their behavior, their behavior and thinking. Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. What I have clear upon is that those circles are attending as usual and many of their peculiarities acquired from the way of seeing things in the opus. The hardest thing is to go out there, I am not clear how. There are a few things that I want to comment, to see what you think. Many have said that I should be the theme. I am convinced that part of her depression stems from a confrontation between what you do and that somehow forced him to think of the opus. My friend this is 4 years ago, regularly attends a psychologist and even psychiatrist. When asked about what they say, is always shown very reluctant, but I always thought that this is personal and not to tell because he is embarrassed. However, having noted that thanks to your support really is into the subject, I took the trouble to follow and take the name of the psychologist, and their number of college search, and found that college linked to the opus, and I've moved and I managed to find out who is a member of the organization. I had suspected that his parents were of the opus, but it leaves me no doubt. How to help a person with low self-esteem that may go to a psychologist assigned by their parents that it's opus? The solution is difficult. It is completely trapped. The film also makes sense, it is usually a scene of sex and violence when you go to the toilet. It may not follow the rules to the letter because he wants to see a movie and then feel guilty and go. In any case, thanks to you now you're gone and you know where to attack. If you can give me some idea, I would appreciate it. I also wanted to ask about an issue. He often carries a folder at meetings. Yesterday we were and we got her to go to buy something and you open the folder (I know, is wrong, but we must act), and discovered a program on the talk (Noseque digital radios) and a page full of words. To see if anyone knows or can tell me which are or mean. The words are: Kether, GEBURAH, Yesod, Netzach and some more that I could point out, stuck in circles connected by lines. He looks like being a mystic or a royo pot meal that make them, but I want to find out exactly what is or is dangerous. For my part I will continue trying to do things contrary to what they say, to see that it feels good and is not so bad ... the truth is that friends do not know what to do. But at least we know a little more of the enemy. Thank you very much again to all, and I await your responses.

Jordi

P.D. guest, I see you've already seen my mail, I try to connect to see if I see you and talk a bit more in depth, thank you very much for your help.

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Published 26 June de 2002 at 19:21:47

hi Jordi,

rare words found in the folder of your friend does not have to do with the opus WHATSOEVER. rather, they are totally out of place in the environment opusino. put them in an internet search engine and you really do exist, but nothing to do with the opus. sure.

if their parents are of opus and your friend needs a psychologist only lead to one of the opus. the others are useless. so this got into a vicious circle and you only what you can help open your eyes.

I advise you to talk with him. Fashion can be a good holiday llevandooslo several days and together make him talk.

of all forms as accounts not everything matches the opus. coninciden there are things not at all, but others do.

good luck, and I admire you for your concern! 're a great friend of your friend! May we all worry so much!

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Published 04 October de 2002 at 14:20:59

Hi, Jordi. I think I am a little late, do not know how you go about your problem. I hope better. I also want to congratulate you on how good a friend you are, and I encourage you to desist from the attempt to recover your friend in every way. Maybe you're the only one who can and that is a precious responsibility. I'm lucky that I had raised in a normal family, open and tolerant, in a normal school, open and tolerant, so I think I have never ceased to be free (as far as it goes, of course). Since my adolescence I was encouraged just that, to be free and responsible for my own life. That staggered me only once, when by chance I went into a residence of the Opus, in my freshman year in college, when I left home. It was a very interesting experience because for the most part the way I served in UN observer, well, neutral, somewhat as in a laboratory. I entered without prejudice; went delirious, flip, shocked and quite scared. They took a personal crisis (dislocation logic to live away from home and start the race, solitude, a break with my "boyfriend" and then a major conflict of faith, the absence of faith, well, ...) to eat the jar. Not with generosity, closer to God, but with the threat (you're a selfish because you do not care about him, you give everything) Fortunately, amid the tears of grab that got me feel like a cockroach ( I am a very ordinary person, fair to good), I called my former philosophy professor and asked him something to read: detoxifies me right away. I also favor a lot and made me the ball because I stood on the faculty than my classmates. A downturn. Course incompatible with the gospel. I do not know if I can help, certainly not enough people already have written you, but I wanted to tell you, from what I saw, I was struck by the sum of the lack of freedom, personality aside, and in Ultimately, the lack of true self-esteem because it is for the life of those belonging or close to work. I think it's a good idea what you were told to leave on vacation with your friend a few days, but I think it might be useful to make people feel important and needed in your group of friends. That is, a good way to see that normal life is normal it is to share with you. Perhaps giving responsibilities in that regard (if there's a party, organize, if there is a gift, make your selection, if you have a problem, he helps you ...) can feel better. To fight the enemy, often have to use their own weapons. He begins to feel that "group membership" in Opus. Let it not fail to feel it with you. Do not give up, please, although he is still there you go, keep trying. The Opus is a real letdown, and simply left over.
Good luck..

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Published 04 October de 2002 at 15:19:21

Paula, your advice terrific ... To me what changed my head (opusiana structurally, although there were things I did not closed, but would not let me or plantearmelas, because that was synonymous with "infidelity" of treason) was seeing "normal life" and that my friends make me partaker of it. I began to share outputs to listen to their problems (if I did that before) but also to tell you mine (that just made it with the spiritual director of Opus, was frowned on "fan" out) and I wanted to see, I could help, perhaps more than they did until now ... (although I admit that I was lucky enough to chat with people on site very comprehensive, though not all, because some would rather not remember ... my self-esteem was on the floor) ... And that " 'it opened my eyes" ...
A kiss!!

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