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Hello friends of this forum:
Long ago, a Swiss theologian, Hans Urs von Balthasar, he published a controversial article in which he wondered what was the spirituality of Opus Dei, if they had any. By then, members of Opus did not respond to your question. I do not know whether there existed a direct and specific answer to that question Opus, and which is not the derivation of the definitions of what Opus considered spiritual. My interest in this response is part of some research I am conducting on at different kinds and levels of spirituality existed within the Catholic Church. There is no doubt that negative theology and apophatic mysticism of Eckhart, Tauler, Suso, Silesius and background of the cloud of unknowing, Clement of Alexandria and Dionysius the Areopagite, are closer to the Hindu Advaita Vedanta, Taoism or non-dualistic Zen Buddhism which I understand is the spirituality of Opus Dei. In the study of comparative religions there is a classification of development of different spiritualities that defines them as pre-rational, rational or trans-rational. Not that any of them, is per se good or bad, rational spirituality is characterized as dualistic by nature and usually rely on the opposition. This leads to the existence of a moral code usually rigid and repressive, the linear perception of time is reflected in the desire to survive in a future Heaven and not the "nunc stans or eternal now of the true mystics; the division of humanity into "faithful" and "infidels", the continuing struggle against sin, the obsession with maintaining the purity and integrity of one's beliefs, and so on. The trans-rational spirituality is characterized by being essentially non-dualistic. My suspicion is that the spirituality of Opus Dei (the living members and not who spout) moves fully into the rational dimension and is also abnormal, because, with the exceptions, is the most unbalanced aspects of the level of rational spirituality , which has its own lights and shadows.
What do you have?
Of course, thank you very much. |
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05 February de 2003 at 20:42:39
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Hello, in my view this proposal has no rhyme or ... to see if they meet anita, poppy, lola, iggy, Cabernet ... is a waste of time |
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| Jolín, what a relief. I thought it was the only one who had not heard anything. You lift your finger you understand the two lines in a row. |
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06 February de 2003 at 01:19:17
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Dear Arimathea, with "smart" that you and your "knowledge", just to give you a turn by the Forum, read some speeches and you may take your all alone your own conclusions, which obviously will serve you only.
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06 February de 2003 at 14:51:48
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Dear Arimathea:
I do not have the resources of phenomenology spiritual knowledge you have. Perhaps I can serve you read the considerations Raimon Panikkar makes the web work FUIMOS NOS(WWW.OPUSDEILIBROS.COM/TRAMPA.HTM). |
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MESSAGE TO ALL Forero: all the forums we are filling with people coming to boycott. Clearly they are members or sympathizers of Opus Dei. They note the uncritical repetition of slogans, come or not to tell, and the lack of capacity for dialogue. Do you realize how easily it spread disqualifications?
Do not make them propose that IF or respond.
THE MODERATOR: Please, moderates. Delete the messages from this rabble. I do not mean those who disagree, even those who enzalzen to Opus Dei. Deletes the boycotters, to insult, to the irrational, the childlike and uncompromising. If not, you'll be left without a forum, I have stolen the Opus. And what will happy get-together in the next circle. |
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06 February de 2003 at 22:29:30
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arimatea, arimatea....loquillo you something, no offense. Who would think to put such a hodgepodge of reflection? What world do you live? This is not the Platonic Academy and the Lyceum Aristotelian. It seems you are doing as the squid: spilling a thick cloud of black ink to confuse.
If you keep that up, I'll put here Maxwell's equations on electromagnetic field, in which, after all, we move the Opus and the Opus non-l ;-)
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06 February de 2003 at 23:46:05
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Hello friends:
I ask many apologies. It happens that I'm used to my participation in another forum, to use language is too technical and abstract. As it had reached enough to read the posts in this forum, I got in tune with its "cool". I again apologize for it and I want to thank you because you made me remember how one might sound stupid sometimes, jaja!. Before returning to ask the question (ie, to translate into Castilian) would like to clarify one thing: I have nothing to do with Opus Dei. Moreover, I am not even Christian, so they take out of their minds and persecutory paranoid fear that I will boycott. Amuses me this idea. (Jaja!). While it is true that Opus have well-earned reputation for fanatical, intransigent, sectarian, please do not follow suit. Antiopus not make an organization that uses the same mental models of Opus, because that way all you will do is uncover a hole to plug another.
Well, check this clarification, I turn to more simply rephrase the question so complicated that he had done.
The matter is simple: can you take the trouble to describe the essential features of what they consider opusdeísta spirituality? Only this and not the more annoying.
I reiterate my apologies. I wrote the message on a hot day. Perhaps the brain has affected me more than I already have affected. Ah ... Always remember that humor is the most serious that we humans, so do not take ourselves too seriously all these things ...
Greetings for all. |
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Well, apart from what I've said, the spirituality of Opus Dei is written in different ways:
- In The Way, a book that despite all the criticism, it really is more transparent to understand what the Opus transmitted. Judge for yourself by reading.
- In the book Children in Opus Dei is a very vivid description of what the practice and effects of asceticism and mysticism of the Work (www.opusdeilibros.com).
- Sure, the letter of Antonio Ruiz Retegui, which conducts a review of the more superficial aspects and regulations of the Work (tb. en opusdeilibros).
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Arimatea: As I have advised other member, I also recommend that you consult the website www.opusdeilibros.com. There you can find an extensive bibliography that is difficult to find in bookstores and libraries. In particular, it may be useful to you Antonio Ruiz Retegui test.
But the spirituality of an organization can not be understood, in my opinion, without knowing the practice or how members of that organization's theoretical daily living spirituality that claim to follow. I say theoretical because the practice differs substantially from the original spirituality. The founder of Opus laughed at those religious orders that, over time, they had forgotten their founding charism and devoted only to educate children of the rich (years 40 to 50). But I also think that Opus has forgotten its original-that Spirit would be saints in the world today and build a society unreal, parallel to the ordinary world.
They live a maudlin holiness based solely on feelings of love for God (which is very good), but forget about the love of mankind, concern for their suffering, needs, aspirations ... While today it has opened a debate about the knowledge society (or postindustrial or information, or technotronic, whatever you want to call it), or on economic globalization, or the effect Lula, or the environment pre - experienced by the world war with Bush, Hussein, Sharon, Bin Laden and other barbarians, or problems internacionalición versus national resolution, the Opus are devoted to preaching that masturbation is a sin, increase the feeling of guilt, and put all their energies on raising cash for its members to carry tax havens and then repatriate this capital in the form of credits to Foundations and Corporations vincualdas Opus (example: Banc of Andorrà, led by supernumerary).
It's also a sentimental holiness as the study of church doctrine, philosophy and theology is weak and superficial. The studies are based on internal manuals or Rialp Eunsa editorial, and not promoting the critical study (or sincere), but the intellectually curious lapse in defense of "good spirit" (well, immaculate). There is a real phobia of intoxication of its members by d ideas from the "outside world" (evil, corrupt).
As praxis, we must remember also the means of proselytism which employs unorthodox. Recruitment of young adolescents, psychological coercion and so on. Opus says proudly that no problem of vocations. Of course, using such means any organization would have recruitment problems.
I remember the last time I confessed to a priest of Opus, I quickly forgave unorthodox economic strategies that I was doing at work and I was confessing. Instead, he wanted to know all the details, including morbidity-my sex life. One young priest had a narrow-minded, closed and full of prejudice.
I think my message will not be served anything, so I repeat my advice to consult the National Department of opusdeilibros.com
Ah, on what the paranoia, you maybe surprise you (as you say you're not Opus or known). But I assure you where there's smoke ... |
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Arimatea: Got something to do with that Matthew, who lives in a city in Argentina, where it was very hot these days ... And they did some research on Hans Urs von Balthasar for a Catholic university  ?
Greetings!!!!! |
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Often there is any unregistered guest you want to know the identity of another new member, when it is certain that this is an essentially anonymous forum for what are the e-mails, I wonder? |
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