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although members of opus dei act "under instructions from their superiors" were people that we were misled with the foolish things of the vocation, which people were coerced us, kept us, not sausage "the only truth" and we a hair shirt while we were minors.
begin to say their names, and names of clubs or centers where we went. forward with the truth, there is nothing to lose.
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These days I promise to give names of centers, location and responsible. In addition all schools "integral" lavacerebros. It's time to expose and end this charade It's Ana again, say the name of a powerful group in Latin America, Peirano, very involved with the Work and South America have been cheated to buy half the sky.
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I'm so glad someone finally decides to do something! But do not just stand by halves, and with the list you do here, come to court to bring charges against alleged offenders and / or criminals. Take up the complaint, accept the democratic game and its consequences, and encouragement.
Ana throws the stone and hide your hand (you could start you, sweetie). I would begin, but it turns out that in my life I have never known any rapist, any pederast, to handle any youth, no thief ...
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25 January de 2003 at 19:49:58
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Ricura Evaristo,
That you do not know any criminal, manipulative, child or thief does not mean that none exist.
Moreover, the people of this forum are free to denounce what they want and give the names and lists that they like. If someone is "itching" for which arrasque.
The only people who are required to report a crime are members of the judiciary in particular, prosecutors in Spain and I doubt that Opus denounce, as the Solicitor General is a member of the band, sorry, of the sect.
Un saludo desde Málaga
Alvaro Valdenebro
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A considerable effort that makes one more stupid considering that does not share their views. Who was the moron who said that there are no criminals, children or thieves handlers?
If I knew or had known a criminal, manipulative, child or thief, be pretty sure that would have already filed a complaint. But the biggest "offenders" who know the truth are manipulative and cowardly excuses buried in vain. I think both "offenses" were not defined in any legal code, nor need to do. Those are condemned his own bitterness.
Certainly the rock is free to denounce whom he pleases. Or not. And also free to make accusations without foundation, to talk much, do little forethought and his own conclusion.
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Evaristo (sweetie), thanks. I've never seen a better definition for Opus Dei as you enter on your last message "manipulators of the truth and cowardly excuses buried in vain." I do not know is whether you meant to them or some members of this forum.
When the two priests of Opus, were visiting several people reported Angustias Maria Moreno was a lesbian, you think of that "baseless accusations" or simply Christian charity?.
"Carmen Tapia's book, I think another baseless accusation?.
You have told us here Amapola or Tanit, are also baseless allegations?.
In this forum, everyone is free to express what they want (in Opus and therefore not have a very extensive but forum page). But what has been told in this forum, with the suffering and bitterness that have had the protagonists themselves, I think a tremendous evil, considered victims rather than perpetrators. As the saying goes "When the birds have been shot at shotguns."
Alvaro Valdenebro
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No, if you end the birds those of which you speak will be those who show up to Escrivá bastard, who put Echevarria slag off those who insult to an almost century-old institution and incidentally throw shit on the Church, which remains sacred and mother. Are these examples of what you mean by Christian charity? And do not bring the topic of birds, which is not pots and his patrimony was
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Invitado: Why not post your name and give the face, we know who you are and not hide as a "guest"?.
The members of any sect are programmed so that when specific questions that are bothering them, stepping out on a tangent answer and distorting the issue.
When I wonder if Carmen Tapia Evaristo, poppy or Tanit, are victims of Opus or vice versa, we say go out with your writing is a "bastard" or insult to an institution that "almost" centennial.
"You're Christian?. Do not you realize what these people have suffered a real ordeal?. So much it costs closer to their suffering?. Do not you realize that these people a few years ago, thought and acted like you, and now realize they were wrong.
Alvaro Valdenebro
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This is fucking great. Anda that there has been "guests" who have walked through here breaking the Christian charity that preaches Álvaro, but clear, as was to insult the Opus Dei, not hide it, is another way to stand up, right? .
Anyway, Alvaro sweetie, how could you still do not know at this point in game. No such invitation coward I was, he always, the smartest ... Evaristo! I once again betrayed the server and has forgotten me. It happened to me once, but this time I did not realize. Maybe I'm still a coward, or I am the famous black hand, or even I have 15 different personalities (including the numerary phantom). For this reason, this is fucking great.
Off at a tangent, misrepresent the subject ... What do you say to me or the guest who turns out not to exist? What that Escrivá was a bastard you've read and Echevarria also gives title to a subject, or which remain samples of Christian charity, and do not think it off at a tangent.
Carmen Tapia, poppy, Tanit, yourself, the nosecuantos that you walk around here ... for victims of Opus you will, no doubt. I never doubted what you describe. But you are not alone. I understand that there are many more that are not "victims" but members of a Prelature blessed by a Church that carries centuries of experience in these matters. What some describe as sect within a sect. Nor is it a career or you have to take account to know the goodness or badness of Opus, but simply to respect the personal experiences of each. The good and bad. And he who does not, it is a cocoon, regardless of whether or not Opus, whether registered in this forum or not (or if invited ...)
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Evaristo
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| The mother who gave birth to this invention ... to see if it now ... |
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Then you go way to judge Evaristo. If you think well, forget it. So you base your moral goodness of the work and say that the prelature is blessed by the church only because there are many more cases of people who are not considered victims that those who do  ?
It's like to weigh 5 kilos of shit in one of the dishes and the other 6 or even 10 kilos of an expensive and exquisite perfume of nard. And then you go and say that the overall balance has been blessed with a beautiful aroma.
Forgive me if I'm wrong about the numbers, but someone said here that there are many more former members circulating on this planet that members within the organization. I do not get to do a count of the number of people who feel they have been coerced by someone of Opus or victims of any abuse at some point. But even if only a minor coaxed or coerced to 14 years and over the years, to go further and further jeopardizing the institution is losing the ability and energy to make the decision to cut with everything you around, with everyone you know and with whom they live or have lived, that has even had to go into the game of pressure and had to talk to other young people whistling, etc.. and 60 0 70 years realize that has thrown his life, someone would have that great responsibility Evaristo. For many blessings of the church or of Moses.
For my people are not blessed because the institution to which they belong is centenarian or super cool. If not, look at all cases of peredastia have been a scandal among the clergy of the Catholic Church lately. Go figure peredastas if these priests were "victims" before being "murderers". Finally, the issue was very complex but I hope you understand what I mean.
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| Well, so go read that you, Iggy. If almost say the same. To you I need you to respect the experiences of others. But the reckoning not (because it's ridiculous) so I said. |
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I suppose it must be difficult for a former member of Opus give names that might reveal their identity. On the other hand would be interesting to give for different reasons. How to combine both?. Although some people can give them, there are others that can not and would be interesting to find ways to let them do so.
Another interesting part would be that Evaristo (an example of someone who feels good with Opus) also say their names associated with good experiences with this organization, as we discover the ramifications of Opus in tele5.
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Tele 5. Now it's Tele 5. More ghosts ... come, yet more ghosts ...
What of those who can give names but can not, and those who can not, but can (was it? What a mess!) Goes to show you of cowardice. Today, on any TV program (including tele5) draw any gualtrapa saying any bullshit. Go all the talkshow of Ana Rosa, you'll see how that ye laugh. The de Tele5 (I think it is called to your side, is a good example of the media apostolate among the youth, yes, Ulysses)
But do not go out on a tangent, the topic of this discussion is to reveal names of people who coerced, retained, sausage ... I can not go in there, and you told me nothing like that happened to me.
But surely it does not matter, you really will get you where you want without anyone saying anything, not like the poor guest who was not invited but it was me ... Evaristo poor. "Same standards? |
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Hello, are 13 posts and none said anything anita proposed: giving names ... reiterate what I said a few days ago: you are a party of cowards, whether, as evaristo van throwing stones and hiding cowardly hand ... then become entangled in a boring rhetoric ... Well, I'm not thinking about finding something funny or positive in this forum ... you are a negative, boring, bitter, not because I'm hooked and participate ... my OD but I have not done me a great good and continues to do ... or manipulation, none of the savagery they propose ... I repeat, nothing I say is true ... I think people who can read (if any) this forum are smart enough to realize that everything is a hoax against Opus, you will see the plume, at first glance we realize how much bitterness there in your life ... anyone to go through life happily write what you write you  , be amazed if my opinion, which certainly acknowledge that it is hard, no wonder , with the amount of bullshit that you say you must be strong, I have no finger in the mouth ... I love the Opus Dei and I'm not allowed to speak well of the ... clear, can you say what you want, but I'm here to put the dots on the i ... game of idle ... ah! forgot, anita, please do not scream, which sounds bad ok?  |
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Invitada:
That's what I would have said when he was on the agenda. The OD is very nice, perfect, and those who drop out are traitors, cowards, bitter, lazy ... That is to love Christ, insulting people, say yes!
(Especially if others are still suffering nightmares of our step by Opus: of course we all know that Christ suffered the insult).
Cristro My love is so great, that leads me to insult and criticize others. That is to love Christ and the rest is gibberish!
And those unfortunates who dare to criticize ... "I will not allow it to speak well of Opus Dei."
Olé, olé y olé! Viva la Santa intransigence.
What if someone capable of thinking for himself, critically, to "dare" to express a critical opinion about the Opus, what will happen? To that is called freedom of expression, say yes, guest.
I think you've portrayed. If you keep sending messages like these, you will not have to manifest our experiences within the Opus.
No need to criticize the Opus. The Opus is criticized by himself. If everyone is like you ... |
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