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although members of opus dei act "under instructions from their superiors" were people that we were misled with the foolish things of the vocation, which people were coerced us, kept us, not sausage "the only truth" and we a hair shirt while we were minors.
begin to say their names, and names of clubs or centers where we went. forward with the truth, there is nothing to lose.
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poor nic ... I do not care ... anita, you scream too, so you can not talk! ... seems that is obsessed with the issue of sackcloth, merely mentioning it every time you can ... MANY thank goodness we know that these cries are the result of anger held against the OD clear this ... fortunately, too, that many parents are increasingly convinced of how wonderful it is not only the RE and enroll their children in clubs and have schools filled to batter corporate works, no, not only that but also they are made of OD !!!!!... is a marvel ... THANK GOD, really.
regarding the interventionist poppies ... I will say that I'm writing as well please, with or faults otrografia zin ... Have you noticed the closing smyle your messages? are really vulgar, very typical of the fact that you would expect from a person who has these demonstrations ?...
I repeat: ALL that is said in this forum does not match the reality that we cienros of thousands of members of the OD ... ... PROPOSE disintegrated again I was uuuupppssss minute |
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TO ALL:
Why do not you stop saying BOLUDECES and get to ENJOY LIFE
ME PARECEN TODOS UNA MANGA DE BOLUD@S!!!!!!!!!!    |
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| nic |
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hello, again  'm nic ... wanted to respond to the invitation: that way of expressing level shows very little ... because you take some education courses? I would be very good ... I seem to recall one participant who expressed the same way ... if I remember correctly, the extinction numerary in poppy called him ... on purpose of cash, which is one that you "straight"?, that if he had not mince words !!!!... BARBARO Well, I say goodbye ... I spend the minutes ... un abrazo: nic  |
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| alvaro |
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Why OD members lose their precious time to read and post messages to this forum?
Do you know your confessor? Seguis instructions?.
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Well, if a member of Opus Dei @ s current bombing to discredit this forum with inconsistent messages and vomiting, which they do, they discredit themselves.
As for names, when I think to some, once I think what has been said before: if we have lied is because they were convinced they acted so well. And as long as that and I've lost track, are no longer as Opus Dei. I also may have hurt someone when I was at work. Only indicate, when you can and I could reveal my identity, the name of one or another priest whose treatment would recommend to avoid, not because they commit abuses or something, but because their degree of fanaticization not good to lead souls.
The only thing that will indicate now, are names of priests which I do believe could be making its work more productively in another diocese or institute in the Work, because the work is not the merits:
- Don Vicente Aterido.
- Don Patxi of the Daughter.
- Don Jose Antonio Gonzalez Lobato
- Don Francisco Armenteros.
As you can see only speak well of them. I hope that life takes another course as has happened with some before. |
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| nic |
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| hola alvaro: nic and I agree with you: no one should waste their time reading the messages of this forum ... I wonder, then for this forum? ... Of course, I do not get in your opinion, you know that do not belong to the Work, but I'm about to fall ... congratulations: Nic |
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I met one of the priests citing Pusey and I agree with.
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What happens at the Forum for a week? It has filled babbling schizophrenic message ( "schizophrenic?). A numerary uneducated and arrogant, that instead of brain has an hourglass, becomes a woman with children who was in a kids club run by supernumerary (where it is seen that, the extra running something) and see is missing herself, because she no longer writes messages numerary who sings the forty. And all that Berto does not appear, as if the earth had swallowed him up, so well they could respond. Does she have returned to reincarnate?
Amapola your quiet you have enough estrogen to withstand the onslaught of someone with brand-new neurons.
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| hola, como estais? ... because it calls us to give names of people of Opus Dei, is meant not? ... then I will talk a little about the founder of this great work of God ... Escivá called San Josemaria de Balaguer, born in Barbastro, Spain in 1902 and died in Rome in 1975, founded Opus Dei in 1928, on October 2 clarisima under divine inspiration, he would say was really a "motion" of God ... There is much to read about the life and miracles of Saint Josemaría, I advise you to read "Opus Dei" by Victor Messori, renowned Italian journalist, that is NOT the Opus Dei and has not been, the book worthwhile, and you shall have a vision of the work from a different angle ... Pilar Urbano's book, a famous Spanish journalist also gives a very good on the figure of the founder of Opus Dei, written in a very nice, draws the reader immediately, is titled: The man from Villa Tevere ... the truth is that could give names of clubs and centers that work primarily for people who want to attend the means of education, but that would reveal my identity ... if people want to know more about the activities of Opus Dei, it would be better to seek information on the website of the same?, I understand that there is an Information Office of Opus Dei may ask why and find everything on their activities ... see you soon: Nic |
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Then go, I have not read the biography of Pilar Urbano, but the official one I liked Peter Esla Berglar, supernumerary and late historidador German. At least seemed to have historical accuracy and human, as he could to defend the Work of the allegations spread by the 80 in Germany.
However, the one I seem insurmountable is non-authoritative Carandell, they can find for free reading opusdeilibros.com. We who have had the opportunity to watch videos of gatherings in San JE, see how his personality is reflected in that book more than any of the officers. It is not written by any member or former member, which is appreciated because it is sometimes necessary to some moral distance and at the same time has a great sense of humor. I recommend it for all ages over 7 years. |
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| Evaristo |
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I remember you, Anna, a server here has also been dedicated to discuss the impressions of their own on your comments. Let me take as a charge whatever they want, more than one @ also does so, it is our right.
You're right about that that I sometimes mess with such commotion. Not to become involved. Try to read again the discussion from the beginning. What the Atleti ... ahem ahem ... 3-0 to Barca ...
Back to allude to the facts as irrefutable argument: what facts? "Yours or mine? I suggest again leave out the facts and seek truth. Seun the facts I know, never in a college in the beep Opus talking about anyone.
But to return to the mess because now you make me another
"If I had been indoctrinated as soon and fast, because I absorbed 100%. of border line, nothing. but I would not have so quickly realizing the shit that I was stuck and could not escape, because if you're interested, no matter what ANYONE THINK, LEAVE THE OPUS DEI ... I swear to God. "
We were indoctrinated quickly, but you realize the shit fast ...
I sense, for your words. you do not you should be very interested, because there you are ... but also swear by God to leave Opus Dei costs than anyone can imagine ... insurance and to swear that you've experienced ...
Could you explain again? Here is a borderline non sa enterao
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In the list of the best private schools are published on World of Opus more schools without being told that yes, some of them can see them at: http://www.attendis.es/Attendis/Home.asp? Setting = 1
If you enter this page you will see that to know the relationship of these colleges with Opus is to read a very brief sentence in which they say "spiritual care is entrusted to priests of the Prelature of Opus Dei", something like "Where is Willy?.
Evaristo was you who started talking about children and schools, if you want to open a new theme you have the right, and spend way to be entertained in this new theme we've talked about here already ....   |
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| Berto |
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Hello friends. I am Berto, the friend of children. What a flood of messages that you have left in this parenthesis in my absence. He was of course retirement. Or was it a culinary convention? Well, I do not know. I have read the speeches. I especially like those of the numerary. Discussion of height is called that. And I keep all that urges us to disband with the forum, or that "that diu" (I would say the late Eugene) that if we know well the biography of the founder, as we read the biographies of the official website. Mark of the house, go. There are no more true than that given by the official. If I have any moral authority that I have not, I would suggest to all advice: yes, read the official (can not find reasons not to do so), but so unofficial that I think some and grinds them - . And from there, since our freedom (as God made us, in spite of them those few) believe and choose. Personally some unofficial books on the Work makes me sick so wrong.
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As you can see the system of dots as separator items is all the rage: Ana is absolutely right when he says that many parents take the Work colleges are to know exactly the procedures. If you have not deleted, I think I criticized in this forum for months many of those parents who bring their children to these schools and youth clubs in those who provide training and leisure activities without worry of knowing what are looking to their children. And then comes the trouble. What's more, I personally know some of these parents, without even knowing it anywhere close to Opus Dei take their children "for the good name that has the school" and because "there are going to teach them anything wrong." I repeat: Ana, you're right.
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A third thing I would not support giving any names. Beginning because I do not mine. I think we have to play honestly. It's an opinion.
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And now Chapter of hugs and greetings: the ever controversial Evaristo, I see that stays in shape. Indeed, Evaristo: I would thing you ran your opinion about the interventions that have some people who call the Work at this same topic. And I'm asking because I suspect that you are an opponent of ideas and not disqualifications. Opus Dei you defend but not to offend or insult, and I respect and congratulate you from my self-discrepancy. And keep it in my heart that you are in complete disagreement with that position of those who say numeraries (do not know if they are).
Greetings also to Anne Pusey, Ulysses, Volo, poppy and others. A hug. Bye.
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Well, I do not know all the sprouts of Opus, but I think they have something to do with the Work are well reviewed. And that sentence you quote, Ulysses, I think it is so difficult to understand. Usually we say that a school is the Opus, or whatever, we all know that to conform to the legal reality, Opus Dei has no property (then nothing can be of Opus) Apostille: I think it legally owns the house in Rome Noseque and more.
But come, we understand, is not so complicated that frasecilla, and anyone who reads it properly say that cole is Opus. More or less. By the way, correct link is http://www.elmundo.es/sociedad/colegios/
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Berto, it was time to wake up. I missed you. Greetings and the mess.
Two things to criticize all parents who bring their children to sites not well understood. And let's call them what they are irresponsible.
And you ask me opinion on those messages which have recently emerged. But I plan to ignore them completely. Can not stand the inconsistency. Wherever it's coming. Faced with such cases, one of two, or I get the trace of irony or I'll shut up. And in this case I chose to keep quiet. But the same morning I decide to enter the rag that numerary.
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hola, como estais? ... Nic am ... disregard the above message and previous messages (only because they are not the subject) I will go directly to that if sub-theme of this forum: names.
I had the great fortune to know personally Don Alvaro del Portillo, successor of the founder, most noble person and a great human and supernatural category ... the government was in charge of the work from 1975 to March 1994, when he died of a heart attack, hours before had been on a trip to the Holy Land to celebrate his last Mass in just one of the chapels dedicated the institution of the Eucharist.
Other name: Don Javier Echevarria, Opus Dei priest and sumerario present Prelate, lived about 20 years close to the founder.
Villa Tevere in Rome is the headquarters of the OD. There are also schools in the same region of Italy whose name escapes me right now ... people interested in knowing more names associated with the RE can refer to the Information Office of Opus Dei in each country there is a headquarters and inform you all you want ... you can also request that you clarify the issues in this forum are treated without any respect for the work. See you soon: Nic |
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It's clear that Nic has no message to say that there INFORMATION OFFICE OPUS DEI. And there will answer your questions.
Look, there are the Delegations of Opus Dei. In your phone book. Why not ask them directly if they pay social security contributions at numerary assistants, the religious ones do so, if they say how many members leave each year, the Jesuits do-, if there is a vocational guidance that is not simply proselytizing seminars-do-if numerari @ s can have friendships with members of other sex-religious men and women can have them-or simply be no friendship between numeraries as cash and can be anywhere in the Church if Development teachers, Attendis, etc., when no longer of the Work force them to leave school; ...
Then please, tell us what they have communicated. |
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