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although members of opus dei act "under instructions from their superiors" were people that we were misled with the foolish things of the vocation, which people were coerced us, kept us, not sausage "the only truth" and we a hair shirt while we were minors.
begin to say their names, and names of clubs or centers where we went. forward with the truth, there is nothing to lose.
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I only bring arguments to counter your offer me, one that brings you convince the public that he preaches write sentences are worthy of being taken into account ... and not be criticized. I say arguments to persuade, not that you lias lios and talk style "Jehovah's Witnesses."
I insist that each type interpret those phrases as you want. who likes to follow him, who wants to interpret it are of a deviant does. I have deigned to write only for people to read.
if someone wants to believe that coercion did not mean it was a pun, which creates it, I certainly do not think so.
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| Ulises |
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Evaristo, you're already rolling! (or whenever these bundled?). You should understand that is not the same influence on a person, in this case a child, with everything around him, that the manipulation they are subjected in a school where education mixed with concerns catchment for a sectarian organization . A child can not grow up in a box, that would be counterproductive for their preparation, parents and educators who have to create you enough capacity to confront what they are going to find in the world, but leaving the child free to develop its own personality. Obviously a group like Opus is more concerned with directing the child to their own interests than to the free development of his personality.
I know parents who bring their children to schools linked to Opus, some people initially did not even know they were the Opus and others have never heard experiences like that can be known in this forum, that does not mean that they are unaware of their paternity, but that Opus act very cryptic, with schools that are corporations and giving a false picture of their interests.
In the end, where were you? ", In Opus, in Big Brother or Bloopers?.   |
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| Evaristo |
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If the sentences are worth Escriva taken into account or not, because it depends on each one. And if you decide to take them into account as you think if you share or not. Already there are many people who have chosen each case. But I do not discuss, analyze or interpret those thoughts as words. Or is all you can think of to discredit an argument? Are they messy? I believe you. Indeed, in a message I warned him, and justify why. But then, you remain unshakable in what you think, you're clinging to an idea and defend, blindly believe in it. Olé your ears. You make very requetebién. But do not be surprised then that others will do the same (to which they are treated fans, of course)
With respect to the schools, I do not think there's so innocent parents take their children to schools that do not know where they depend. (Where it says innocent, read irresponsible) If so (I can hardly believe it, really, but let's face it) then the thing is that education in Spain is worse than I thought. Another thing is that parents take their children to Opus sprouts have not read this exciting forum. Maybe they read the report of the world on 100 best of Spain in the works that appear several corporate and some personal work. Yes, I know that inclusion in this report makes a coup for the book, but it appeared clear in the section on Retamar: is the Opus Dei. It's not so cryptic, right? By the way, tell those gentlemen who do not know where to take their children to do the favor of taking more seriously their parents work. And if you do not like to get them out there running.
I think I know where I was, Ana gave me the solution: Jehovah's Witnesses !!!!!!!!
Ulysses: open a new forum on schools? The topic given to much, and here, still waiting for someone Ana give any names, jejeje
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Hello idle tobesure, brazen and other herbs because we do not close this forum, that will not sail and drift of boredom? ... Anita takes the liberty of quoting cronicas, you're a woman, man or what?, you have access to this magazine we all know is male? ... strange ... very strange ... citais of freedom with the desire for that you create ... not attain to your goal ... You fill of rhetoric and no more boring than your foundation mentirotas ... quality hablais je je je ... there is to see people who talk about quality ... Opus hear me and I am the way I behave with you shows that the Opus is everything, we are free and no such molds or as you say foolishly borregueria ... further proof of our freedom and diversity: I, look at me rather drones, if you though you hurt, drones, have learned not to work?, uselessly wasting time on a forum composed of four poor victims, harassed and abused by a numerary ... HORROR !!!... what is this? ... where am I? ... ones, stop nonsense and victims and above all stop lying   adios. I spent three minutes s this forum ... does not deserve more of my time |
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numerary invited, it's not anything personal against you, really, but you give the image is not a numerary but the caricature of a numerary. You look like an enemy of Opus Dei who poses as a numerary to give a bad image of the work. If you like this forum, you may still come, if you like, you need not come to torment yourself. I do not care if you come or not because as I said, your messages to me do not deserve any credibility. |
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evaristo, There is no bigger high than yours! you say:
Are they messy? I believe you. Indeed, in a message I warned him, and justify why.
the first day I write something, I stopped because I thought you had gone to pot.
said something like that is difficult to try to explain something to people who are not going to understand.
I was not going to pot, but you're really convinced that is the case. Well. saying dartela give a superior printing. And there's no one inferior to anyone. or you're inferior to us or us to you. by what I read people is rather clever for here, but even if we were border line We do not deserve to have someone make a comment of this kind.
I'm not clinging to an idea and defending. I am very clear that Opus Dei is a cult and its founder anything but holy. but I respect that you think otherwise. and I can say in a discussion forum that is what I do.
with respect to schools that parents are the opus dei confident of the education provided. without questioning anything to anyone. and have not the slightest idea what kind of coercion and indoctrination that is instilled in children. a clear example: me and I had eaten the coconut, I did write the letter and gave me the sackcloth of 14 years (of course, had expressly forbidden to discuss this with my parents). summer. pool. a friend of my mother says to mine: it is those brands that is your daughter in the thigh? my mother: no idea, to see daughter, come here! this is?
I had been indoctrinated to never answer the truth (or my mother! read the waypoint 650 that wrote the other day above). not that I invented it, but never said it was for the hair shirt, which my mother of course, not imagined. she would report to their managers if she brought up the topic, but ... why be indiscreet?
SO DOES THE OPUS DEI
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invited person who wrote the story on the 30th January 2003 at 21:18:49, I will not answer, I do not want to discuss with her. (I think it is not able to discuss their state of alteration and shall not consider his words).
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I remember you, Anna, you also accused me of confusing. And I have never doubted your ability to understand, and it many times to explain mine. Do not accuse me of what I am, please. I explain something to those who can not or want to understand is still just as stupid: it brings you explain to me that Atleti is not the best team in the world. They would lose time. I'm like you, there are things that I have very clear, I have an idea and defend, and respect those who do not share. I have not tried to lower in no time. Do not accuse me of what I am, please.
And behind this attempt to refute my arguments with personal accusations, saying that Opus parents have no idea of what is done in schools of Opus ... and illustrated by example. Then try to generalize an experience. As if everyone had the same thing to happen to you. Again hold the damn truth. If I put other examples of different shape, he might possess the truth? Also, do not know if you did intentionally, but the issue of school mixes with the sackcloth and write the letter. Do not mistake that will not wash. Another thing, do you had been "indoctrinated" so soon? Now that I might be interpreted by your words you think is stupid or adolescents border line, and that did not. And that's how the Opus Dei, and then you go.
Greetings
PS I'm with you about what the guest. Never ignore the radicals.
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| When a message is signed by "Guest", when actually know who writes the numerary and when Evaristo? A double personality? |
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iggy: It could be more consistent with what you say ... I give a bad image of OD? and you who are you doing? ... perhaps not wish to harm the OD with your nonsense? ... PLEASE !!!... cres if indeed what you say and might be glad of my participation, but as quite the opposite ... as I sing the Forty ... So you do not like it? ... it is time to break up this forum, you do not like my proposal, eh? ... I do not flouted to anyone ... I'm not upset ... I enjoy a moment alone placing you on your site, starting from fools and scoundrels ... 1 minute and half to the club ... je je je ... you can not believe someone will answer you as I do eh? ... confused, eh? Poverino!! adios  |
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It was not going to name names?
In Argentina, the Universidad Austral is the opus, and many colleges APDES like Los Molinos, El Buen Ayre, El Torreon (Córdoba), Pucara, wickets, The hills, etc, etc.
Women organize camps "social promotion" (actually to engage pitables) to Sao Tome, Corrientes (but do not coincide with the carnival, because it is pagan )...
Now I'm embarrassed, but then follow...
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Cabernet, back to project your problems on others. You know that I can think of nick with some frequency, which is one clumsy. But if only for the content of messages, you really do not apart?
Mood Lola, to see if you manage to give you the much requested and useless names
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Guest NUMERARY: if you hurt the minute you lose (you're always counting) in this forum, do not go in it and in peace, however said that if you lose because you could use that time to pray to Saint Josemaría for your salvation because while they go, with such bad charity, your inability to put you in the place of another judge when, and your shameless league, full, on the other hand, misspellings, it will lead you to head end to the dreaded hell.
Poor thing, give me real shame, mortification tougher delivered at since age 15, without insight into life outside (hence you can not understand our thinking, because you do not know the real world), and on top by breaking the rules desfogarte "no access culture not want to give," getting into this forum and you condemn you for eternity.
I will pray for you at the Virgen del Pilar de Zaragoza, but do not be rude to us very much "damage" you have all the "beautiful".
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evaristo, not accuse you of anything. I tell you my impression before your comment as thou hast believed that I find you later. tomártelo as the charge is up to you, which by the way ... there must be ...
no acknowledgment of confusing you, remember that you were not yourself that you said you rolled?
on atleti, no comment. leave football for ... I'll shut up.
have clear your things you want but the facts speak.
Hitler was also clear that Gypsies and Jews were inferior and had to be exterminated. why not was right, poor guy.
with my example of the brands of sackcloth in the pool, do not attempt to generalize. report a single case history. Failure to report people will never know what happens to children in Opus Dei.
and it is essential that parents take their children to opus YOU HEAR A LITTLE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO THEM.
not attempt to generalize. parents do not say to your children, minors, if we convince them to surrender to the opus dei, give them a hair shirt to use it, mortify it and do not sin against the 6th commandment and, as if we were in the Middle Ages.
say that school mix with sackcloth, and with the letter. agree. that happens in the clubs, SO PARENTS! CUIIDADO MUCH WITH THE CLUBS! I believe it's not soccer, study, extracurricular activities ... and all that are invented so that your children go to after school club. THERE THE ONLY GOAL IS TO GO TO THE CIRCLE, TO TALK TO THE PRIEST AND THE RELEVANT Pac (to be someone young to win the trust and dependency of the boy) AND GO SLOWLY BROUGHT INTO THE OPUS DEI. Once inside, sackcloth in hand, you will have lost AND FOREVER!
that happens in the clubs, but sometimes coincides with the teacher tutor school, and this takes the damn AT SCHOOL "tutorials" to inculcate the spirit of Opus Dei, and sometimes even propose a vocation! AT THE COLLEGE.
Do not make me laugh again, Evaristo! if I had been indoctrinated as soon and fast, because I absorbed 100%. of border line, nothing. but I would not have so quickly realizing the shit that I was stuck and could not escape, because if you're interested, no matter what ANYONE THINK, LEAVE THE OPUS DEI ... I swear to God.
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Ana,
We can start a chain email which make known the stories that are described here and in "odan" so that those who are close to falling into the clutches of this sect can be prevented.
those who are interested in participating in this network please send your email to vigia_od@latinmail.com
during the week will be sending a message without attachments, text only (for what viruses) with a history of "went" (www.opusdeilibros.com) so we can send it to all our acquaintances.
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poor nic ... I do not care ... anita, you scream too, so you can not talk! ... seems that is obsessed with the issue of sackcloth, merely mentioning it every time you can ... MANY thank goodness we know that these cries are the result of anger held against the OD clear this ... fortunately, too, that many parents are increasingly convinced of how wonderful it is not only the RE and enroll their children in clubs and have schools filled to batter corporate works, no, not only that but also they are made of OD !!!!!... is a marvel ... THANK GOD, really.
regarding the interventionist poppies ... I will say that I'm writing as well please, with or faults otrografia zin ... Have you noticed the closing smyle your messages? are really vulgar, very typical of the fact that you would expect from a person who has these demonstrations ?...
I repeat: ALL that is said in this forum does not match the reality that we cienros of thousands of members of the OD ... ... PROPOSE disintegrated again I was uuuupppssss minute |
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